The Anti-prepper prepper

[Briggs]

I'm in a rural area and here's how I see it. I don't expect marauding mobs from urban areas arriving en masse. What I do expect will be kids below the age of ten will drop by and visit me first, maybe with their mum, maybe with Grandma, maybe on their own playing out the orphan/I'm lost routine but they definitely won't be with a male adult. They'll be begging for an I'm hungry and lost handout while what they are really doing is reconnaissance work for later, when dad and his chums will come calling for my supplies.

[lonewolf]

I'm in a rural area too, and they can knock on the door all they like, I wont be opening it.

[rik_uk3]

I disagree with mobility , you have more things to be taken off you the vehicle, the fuel, the contents, you could be watched from a distance for example over open countryside then ambushed, what happens with a break down and no part to fix . And it dosent matter the size of the vehicle. It has limited storage and range with availability if fuel.

However if you have secured your home , know your area , and link you with surrounding people the area can be yours.

And having multiple caches around your ground means they won't get to everything shine you be hit
J

Have to disagree here, mobility is the key, its the key modern warfare, boarding up your house is as good as living in a bunker or castle...your trapped, stuffed and nowhere to go.

What is also vital is knowledge and good judgement of when to move, timing is also vital. If you read my post I talk of stocked alternative locations, so no real need to leave home carrying much at all. Mobility and kit redundancy have been key points in our planning which began back in the 80's, I'm not new to 'prepping' but see so many new people taking preparedness onboard who seem to be running around like headless chickens; slow down, really slow down and start to plan.

Years ago IBM had a company motto which IIRC was simply 'THINK' very apt for people planning anything.

[poppypiesdad]

You disagree I disagree , here hoping you dont have to find out the hard way .

J

[matthopkins]

Adding fuel to the fire, what about if your group breaks down and someone through force try's to take control?

Try reading "lord of the flys" sorry cant remember who its by. (help me out someone)

[lonewolf]

a moving target is an easily spotted target (something moving attracts the eye-that's why animals go to ground).

[Plymtom]

It does look like climate change is doing it's best to talk everyone into having a lifestyle and preparedness rethink, disaster after disaster hitting the fan, looters are here already, but whether the anti prepper prepper ever gets a look in, in the way they hope is another thing, in fact the very threat of them could be good to cause people to be more willing to band together, it is clear by this and other threads on the marauder type, that normal people are riled by them, their kind have been used to hiding behind the law almost as much as they like to break it untill they get caught, we have to ask ourselves that if society was broken that we had to fear for the likes of them, then what mercy could they expect?

Both the bug out and the bug in concepts as Sfcfinchrs theory if you support it suggests are now only relevant in the worst case - high death rate disaster type scenarios, in a city for instance random chaos could be short lived ( where we see it get prolonged it is in civil war scenarios with a few main factions fighting for supremacy) when it's everyone for themselves, the government, local, and national have plans and resources, top of their list would be a very low tolerance of the APP/marauder type, second down would be the people who think they will appoint themselves the new leadership.
We saw with the floods a slow response from government, New Orleans when Katrina hit was another example of how things fall apart but only for so long, the trick is probably knowing when to keep your head down, and when to muck in and help, one thing is certain solo or single family units have little chance, we evolved from species who already lived in groups or clans, and it worked, it got us here, like those few Japanese soldiers who carried on in the island jungles for decades after the war was over, if you don't interact, have family, build society, you're already dead and I think many of us have been missing that, imagine coming out of your hiding place after a few months expecting to just join in with whatever has become of us when they have been out there struggling perhaps fighting and beating the marauders at heavy cost, and being told to bugger off we don't need you now, would that be a shock?

I'm sort of playing devil's advocate as I often do here the APP/Marauder is undoubtedly a baddy, but how much better are we if we are just going to live ( fairly well) and let the unprepared die fighting for a world which we will want a part of?

[mallie99]

Try reading "lord of the flys" sorry cant remember who its by. (help me out someone)

William Golding

[matthopkins]

Try reading "lord of the flys" sorry cant remember who its by. (help me out someone)

William Golding

Thank you

[sfcfinchrs]

A good deal of debate going on here. Thanks for the devils advocate work "Plymtom". We are beings of the pack and as you said that is the way we evolved.

It's very difficult to figure out the how, what and when in terms of prepping goals. Going it alone is pretty darn difficult. While I may be able to do it. I'm not sure my family would be up to it. Unless there was no choice. Yes I have put some effort into ensuring that Go To Hell Plan is in place. Though we need to remember that the "Go To Hell Plan" is usually the last option to choose.

It also takes a good bit of training to allow you to key into what is happening around you in a hostile environment. (Done that one already)

When SHTF you have some pretty serious questions you need to answer.

The thing is, there are no easy answers to the questions we are raising. We cannot plan for every possible eventuality. Unless you have had the misfortune to have been in the situation where applied violence is the answer, I'm sorry to say you still do not know what you will do. After years of training I ended up knowing "my" answer and I am living with the legacy of it. So what sage advice can I give? Do everything you can possibly do to avoid conflict. Take care of your and your own the best you can.

The reason I have taken the direction I am going in my preps, is that after being a soldier for 20 years. I cannot turn my back on the populace I spent 20yrs protecting as an instrument of public policy. Just my view on things.

Sorry if this was a bit long winded.

Before I posted my previous post..... I found myself thinking of my neighbor next door. He is 92 and served on the Arctic Convoys during the WWII. I am inspired by the strength of his generation and how they all pulled together in this Islands Direst and Finest hour. So I have decided to follow in their footsteps as much as I am able to. Yes I place the safety and welfare of my family first, yet I do this with a minds eye on keeping us well enough to allow us to muck in to the best of our ability.

If you think I am going to start preaching Zen now........... No sorry I think I have preached enough.

Thanks All