EMPs and Cars
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Debmcgovern
Re: EMPs and Cars
If a car is under ground in a car park would it be effected by emp ?
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poppypiesdad
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Re: EMPs and Cars
Yes and no , depends on construction , depth , how enclosed it is , 101 things , I would be brazen to say No. or Wouldn't like to bet my only mode of transport on it .
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Re: EMPs and Cars
What you need is an old school diesel with mechanical fuel injection, I believe but not sure that the ignition coil on a petrol would fry.
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poppypiesdad
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As would the stop solenoid on a Diesel . 
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Re: EMPs and Cars
badgersden wrote:interesting thread i can only see a few major problems if we did have emp and it did destroy electrical components and you manage to get your old motor running or your newer motor was in a faraday cage how long do you think it will take before someone or people take it from you or worse follow you back to your bug in or bug out location and then takes everything you have and god knows what else to you,
The noise alone from a car will be heard for miles around attracting a lot of attention and people looking for you.
my real question is what are you going to do with a car without attracting lots of unwelcome attention?
My thoughts exactly, but if you have to do it, use it as once a high speed get the hell out of dodge vehicle, then dump it possibly in amongst other abandoned cars, remove the key and barrel, drain Fuel, and make it look like it's already been ransacked, possible sit an available corpse in the divers seat, then take to the hills, you know it still works others probably wont even bother trying it.
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Re: EMPs and Cars
old school stop solenoids are easy to bypass if you know how , its just a case of taking out the plungerpoppypiesdad wrote:As would the stop solenoid on a Diesel .
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YES i walked away mid sentence , you were boring me to death and my survival instincts kick in .
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poppypiesdad
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Re: EMPs and Cars
yep i know that , you know that .Theres a lot out there that would be standing scratching there head.
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Re: EMPs and Cars
Found this on one of the sites I read called preparednesspro and the specialist, for want of a better word was Scott Bishop. Followed by a bit on Faraday cage. Sorry its a bit long!:
Let’s dispel some Myths about EMPs and Faraday Cages
“Foil and other like resources can protect electronics from EMPs/solar flare damage. I know! I saw it on Youtube!”
Not likely! There is a big difference between relatively low-power radio frequencies and high-power high-frequency EMPs. Foil may be enough to stop radio frequencies from getting through, but it is not substantial enough to handle the current generated by an EMP. Using foil to guard against an EMP would be similar to using 24 gauge wire for a car battery; it is likely to burn through. The Carrington Event of 1859 proved this point when it caused telegraph wires much thicker than foil to catch fire.
“Batteries will be destroyed due to an EMP”
Not likely! Most batteries do not contain a diode junction. The diode junction is the electronic part most likely to be damaged by an EMP. Batteries are made of relatively thick plates of metal, very dissimilar to the very small, narrow junctions used to create diode junctions. If anything, the short, yet powerful, pulse of an EMP may actually cause an extra charge to your battery, not that it will be that noticeable, since all of the electronics you run off of that battery will likely be fried.
“A person’s vicinity to an EMP doesn’t make any difference.”
Untrue! Just as light operates within the bounds of the physics, Law of Squares, so does electro-magnetic current. The further you are from the electro-magnetic field generator, the less of an affect it will have on you (or more specifically on your circuits). Close, line-of-sight objects will be the most susceptible to an EMP, while objects hidden behind mountains, or underground, will be much less affected.
“A car is already protected against an EMP, and it won’t stop driving in its tracks because of one.”
Pre 1967 cars vs EMP damage Untrue! Unless you are one of the few lucky enough to own a car not controlled by a computer of some sort (think pre-1967), your car is likely to be affected by an EMP which covers your area. Cars, like so many other things in today’s society, are controlled by computer, which is made of millions of tiny diode junctions (see discussion above). Even if you’re lucky enough to have your car underground when the lights go out, don’t plan on having much gas to put in your car as the computer-controlled pumps are likely to be out of commission.
“Planes will fall out of the sky when an EMP hits.”
Not likely! Though the electronic circuits, which make planes so much easier to control, will likely be damaged beyond repair, planes operate on the basic principles of lift and thrust. Though they will likely be turned into permanent one-time-use gliders, planes will not be forced down just because their engine controls have become useless pieces of waste; though I wouldn’t want to be one of the many pilots trying to find a field big enough to call a landing space for a 777, and particularly not without any ground lights for guidance or reference if an EMP event should happen at night.
Read more at http://www.preparednesspro.com/many-myt ... 4546huW.99
Faraday Cage c/o jeddaniels.com
We’ve established that an EMP incident will fry all electronics. This occurs whether or not they are plugged in or turned on. This also affects automobiles, batteries, computers, medical equipment, etc. Needless to say, in such an instance, life as we know it will change dramatically. Even more distressing is the fact that the strike of an EMP is not likely to give any warning. You don’t see it. You don’t feel it. You are simply left with the sudden consequences and whatever preparedness you have on hand. So, other than your preparedness supplies, your new best friend may be a Faraday cage.
In fact, with the knowledge of the protection that a Faraday cage can provide you, you may be able to enjoy nearly as comfortable a lifestyle as you did prior to any electromagnetic pulse. While being mentally prepared to live in the Stone Age may be helpful, it’s not necessary. Aren’t you glad? First of all, allow me to dispel some myths about Faraday cages—and boy, howdy, there are a LOT of them.
Whether or not your electronics are plugged in, how long of an antenna you’ve got on something, what voltage it is, or whether or not they operate with batteries—all non-protected electronics will be affected by an EMP.
Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
Electronic phone systems will also be damaged.
Surge protectors are useless in the event of an EMP exposure.
Just because your car has rubber tires, it will not be impervious to the effects of an EMP. Rubber containers are insufficient protection against an EMP.
And oh yeah—yes, your Faraday cages DO need to be grounded. If it’s NOT grounded, then the Faraday cage merely becomes a reflector or an amplifier.
Yes, a microwave can act as a Faraday cage, but why in the world would you want to use it for that? That’s just silly when you can make one simply.
Faraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name “cage” instead of the oft misused term—“box.” In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
Copper Mesh photo c/o twpinc.com
Copper Mesh photo c/o twpinc.com
Also, contrary to what you may see on the internet, a sheet of foil on a box will not protect you. It’s not thick enough to withstand the pulse. However, you CAN protect your items if they are buried a couple of feet underground in every direction (up and sideways.)
Last, but not least, a car is NOT a Faraday cage sufficient to withstand an EMP incident. It has some similar components, yes. Most cars made today consist of fiberglass and disjointed parts, not a continuous metal material. In addition to that, they are on tires. Tires on a car do NOT serve as grounding. Folks are simply getting an EMP strike confused with a lightening strike. Now, IF you had an old fashioned car that was made of metal, that had its tires removed, that was also attached to an Iron or copper pole and that was ALSO on dirt—not gravel—then yes, you may have a car that doubles as a Faraday cage. (Kind of like the old clunker my dad has out in his “back forty.”
The cages do not have to be solid, but they do have to be constructed continuously without gaps between the protective material.
Read more at http://www.preparednesspro.com/emp-101- ... H125mku.99
Let’s dispel some Myths about EMPs and Faraday Cages
“Foil and other like resources can protect electronics from EMPs/solar flare damage. I know! I saw it on Youtube!”
Not likely! There is a big difference between relatively low-power radio frequencies and high-power high-frequency EMPs. Foil may be enough to stop radio frequencies from getting through, but it is not substantial enough to handle the current generated by an EMP. Using foil to guard against an EMP would be similar to using 24 gauge wire for a car battery; it is likely to burn through. The Carrington Event of 1859 proved this point when it caused telegraph wires much thicker than foil to catch fire.
“Batteries will be destroyed due to an EMP”
Not likely! Most batteries do not contain a diode junction. The diode junction is the electronic part most likely to be damaged by an EMP. Batteries are made of relatively thick plates of metal, very dissimilar to the very small, narrow junctions used to create diode junctions. If anything, the short, yet powerful, pulse of an EMP may actually cause an extra charge to your battery, not that it will be that noticeable, since all of the electronics you run off of that battery will likely be fried.
“A person’s vicinity to an EMP doesn’t make any difference.”
Untrue! Just as light operates within the bounds of the physics, Law of Squares, so does electro-magnetic current. The further you are from the electro-magnetic field generator, the less of an affect it will have on you (or more specifically on your circuits). Close, line-of-sight objects will be the most susceptible to an EMP, while objects hidden behind mountains, or underground, will be much less affected.
“A car is already protected against an EMP, and it won’t stop driving in its tracks because of one.”
Pre 1967 cars vs EMP damage Untrue! Unless you are one of the few lucky enough to own a car not controlled by a computer of some sort (think pre-1967), your car is likely to be affected by an EMP which covers your area. Cars, like so many other things in today’s society, are controlled by computer, which is made of millions of tiny diode junctions (see discussion above). Even if you’re lucky enough to have your car underground when the lights go out, don’t plan on having much gas to put in your car as the computer-controlled pumps are likely to be out of commission.
“Planes will fall out of the sky when an EMP hits.”
Not likely! Though the electronic circuits, which make planes so much easier to control, will likely be damaged beyond repair, planes operate on the basic principles of lift and thrust. Though they will likely be turned into permanent one-time-use gliders, planes will not be forced down just because their engine controls have become useless pieces of waste; though I wouldn’t want to be one of the many pilots trying to find a field big enough to call a landing space for a 777, and particularly not without any ground lights for guidance or reference if an EMP event should happen at night.
Read more at http://www.preparednesspro.com/many-myt ... 4546huW.99
Faraday Cage c/o jeddaniels.com
We’ve established that an EMP incident will fry all electronics. This occurs whether or not they are plugged in or turned on. This also affects automobiles, batteries, computers, medical equipment, etc. Needless to say, in such an instance, life as we know it will change dramatically. Even more distressing is the fact that the strike of an EMP is not likely to give any warning. You don’t see it. You don’t feel it. You are simply left with the sudden consequences and whatever preparedness you have on hand. So, other than your preparedness supplies, your new best friend may be a Faraday cage.
In fact, with the knowledge of the protection that a Faraday cage can provide you, you may be able to enjoy nearly as comfortable a lifestyle as you did prior to any electromagnetic pulse. While being mentally prepared to live in the Stone Age may be helpful, it’s not necessary. Aren’t you glad? First of all, allow me to dispel some myths about Faraday cages—and boy, howdy, there are a LOT of them.
Whether or not your electronics are plugged in, how long of an antenna you’ve got on something, what voltage it is, or whether or not they operate with batteries—all non-protected electronics will be affected by an EMP.
Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
Electronic phone systems will also be damaged.
Surge protectors are useless in the event of an EMP exposure.
Just because your car has rubber tires, it will not be impervious to the effects of an EMP. Rubber containers are insufficient protection against an EMP.
And oh yeah—yes, your Faraday cages DO need to be grounded. If it’s NOT grounded, then the Faraday cage merely becomes a reflector or an amplifier.
Yes, a microwave can act as a Faraday cage, but why in the world would you want to use it for that? That’s just silly when you can make one simply.
Faraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name “cage” instead of the oft misused term—“box.” In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
Copper Mesh photo c/o twpinc.com
Copper Mesh photo c/o twpinc.com
Also, contrary to what you may see on the internet, a sheet of foil on a box will not protect you. It’s not thick enough to withstand the pulse. However, you CAN protect your items if they are buried a couple of feet underground in every direction (up and sideways.)
Last, but not least, a car is NOT a Faraday cage sufficient to withstand an EMP incident. It has some similar components, yes. Most cars made today consist of fiberglass and disjointed parts, not a continuous metal material. In addition to that, they are on tires. Tires on a car do NOT serve as grounding. Folks are simply getting an EMP strike confused with a lightening strike. Now, IF you had an old fashioned car that was made of metal, that had its tires removed, that was also attached to an Iron or copper pole and that was ALSO on dirt—not gravel—then yes, you may have a car that doubles as a Faraday cage. (Kind of like the old clunker my dad has out in his “back forty.”
The cages do not have to be solid, but they do have to be constructed continuously without gaps between the protective material.
Read more at http://www.preparednesspro.com/emp-101- ... H125mku.99
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Re: EMPs and Cars
Decaff, thanks for this, really illuminating ( ). I always thought that if it wasn't switched on it wouldn't be affected by an EMP 
So now it seems I have to bury the wind up radio and/or the shortwave radio under the runner beans...................
Have I got that right?
). I always thought that if it wasn't switched on it wouldn't be affected by an EMP So now it seems I have to bury the wind up radio and/or the shortwave radio under the runner beans...................
Have I got that right?
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Re: EMPs and Cars
the above is a contradiction. I think the first section is correct and the second is garbage. EMP is voltage so need something to flow thru disconnected batteries will therefore survive.Decaff wrote:Found this on one of the sites I read called preparednesspro and the specialist, for want of a better word was Scott Bishop. Followed by a bit on Faraday cage. Sorry its a bit long!:
Let’s dispel some Myths about EMPs and Faraday Cages
“Batteries will be destroyed due to an EMP”
Not likely! Most batteries do not contain a diode junction. The diode junction is the electronic part most likely to be damaged by an EMP. Batteries are made of relatively thick plates of metal, very dissimilar to the very small, narrow junctions used to create diode junctions. If anything, the short, yet powerful, pulse of an EMP may actually cause an extra charge to your battery, not that it will be that noticeable, since all of the electronics you run off of that battery will likely be fried.
Read more at http://www.preparednesspro.com/many-myt ... 4546huW.99
Faraday Cage c/o jeddaniels.com
We’ve established that an EMP incident will fry all electronics.
Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
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