Hamradioop wrote:Having search for first aid training, it appears to have become a major business sector course average £250.00 pounds for a 3 day Heath and safety approved course. Bloody nanny state again.
I made a resolution not to argue with people on the internet, but I can't help myself this time.
What some people call the "Nanny State" is the protection of ordinary people against powerful interests who don't give a shit about their well-being.Health and Safety legislation has saved many lives over the last few decades and without it, big firms would cut workers' protection to the bone in order to boost their profits. I've worked in many industrial and warehousing sites where if something goes wrong, you really, really do want a properly trained First Aider on hand. £250 is pretty reasonable considering you'll be getting the full input from 2 trainers, use of specialised kit, external assessment, materials, tea, coffee and lunch, and you'll be able to save a life afterwards.
Featherstick. I agree that the HSE provide a good safety service for the workers. What I do not like is the constant interference from idiot safety officers who ban things because 1. they can, 2. they are incompetent
Now my wife is Disabled and needs to use a loo when she needs to, and she carries a card explaining this, Many times she has been refused the use of the Toilet because it is against Health and Safety. If that is the case that it is a health and safety Hazard the premises should be closed until the fault is rectified.
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Hamradioop wrote:Hi Briggs,
Having looked at St Johns Ambulance courses the 3 day HSE first aid at work is £342.00 (inc VAT) and the nearest essential first aid course is
. Rickmansworth (53.8 miles) which is £30.00 (inc VAT).
The Red cross courses 3 day HSE first aid at work £312.00 inc VAT. First aid for adults £45.00 inc VAT.
Now the non HSE course used to be free.
I've had a look on the Red Cross website. They have the same 'find a local course' filter on their web page. The one nearest to me which would be Exeter starts in September and it's £50 for the basic first aid course.
Even though i have approx 8 first aid kits in total, my main household one was purchased through the St John Ambulance website, Their kits come fully packed with the essentials and its all quality
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Hamradioop wrote:Featherstick. I agree that the HSE provide a good safety service for the workers. What I do not like is the constant interference from idiot safety officers who ban things because 1. they can, 2. they are incompetent
Now my wife is Disabled and needs to use a loo when she needs to, and she carries a card explaining this, Many times she has been refused the use of the Toilet because it is against Health and Safety. If that is the case that it is a health and safety Hazard the premises should be closed until the fault is rectified.
THat must be very frustrating for your wife, but it's nothing to do with the HSE or the Health and Safety at Work Act 1979. It has everything to do with "no-win-no-fee" lawyers, insurance companies, financial risk managers that walk around all day saying "what could we be sued for?" and companies and state bodies so terrified of being sued that they close down anyone's room to manouevre, and use the catch-all phrase "Health and Safety". Actually what they should be saying is "Sorry mate, lawyers and litigation".
featherstick wrote:
THat must be very frustrating for your wife, but it's nothing to do with the HSE or the Health and Safety at Work Act 1979. It has everything to do with "no-win-no-fee" lawyers, insurance companies, financial risk managers that walk around all day saying "what could we be sued for?" and companies and state bodies so terrified of being sued that they close down anyone's room to manouevre, and use the catch-all phrase "Health and Safety". Actually what they should be saying is "Sorry mate, lawyers and litigation".
To be honest, I'm not even convinced the no claim lawyers are that much to blame, its more a case of society becoming less caring and tolerant and simply using H&S as an excuse, as they know they will get away with it and its always difficult to argue against H&S.
So what they actually mean, no, we don't want to let you......
Hamradioop wrote:Featherstick. I agree that the HSE provide a good safety service for the workers. What I do not like is the constant interference from idiot safety officers who ban things because 1. they can, 2. they are incompetent
Now my wife is Disabled and needs to use a loo when she needs to, and she carries a card explaining this, Many times she has been refused the use of the Toilet because it is against Health and Safety. If that is the case that it is a health and safety Hazard the premises should be closed until the fault is rectified.
We won't allow customers to use the sites toilets as it is against health and safety rulings. Factory area is a safety boot, ear defender, visi vest and safety spec mandatory area and to get to the toilets you have to enter the factory..... All staff are kitted to enter factory and trained about the machines and safe distance from them walk ways etc plus forklift trucks operating
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Hamradioop wrote:Featherstick. I agree that the HSE provide a good safety service for the workers. What I do not like is the constant interference from idiot safety officers who ban things because 1. they can, 2. they are incompetent
Now my wife is Disabled and needs to use a loo when she needs to, and she carries a card explaining this, Many times she has been refused the use of the Toilet because it is against Health and Safety. If that is the case that it is a health and safety Hazard the premises should be closed until the fault is rectified.
We won't allow customers to use the sites toilets as it is against health and safety rulings. Factory area is a safety boot, ear defender, visi vest and safety spec mandatory area and to get to the toilets you have to enter the factory..... All staff are kitted to enter factory and trained about the machines and safe distance from them walk ways etc plus forklift trucks operating
See this is part of the problem, it's not the toilets you are refusing access to, its the site which is hazardous and requires appropriate PPE and possibly inductions before anyone is allowed into those areas which is perfectly understandable.
I'm sure Ham's wife wasn't trying to use the toilets in a factory or on a construction site, much more likely to have been shops or offices etc, in which case H&S shouldn't be used as an excuse as they also need to cater for visitors etc as well.
Or the coffee shop that won't heat a baby's bottle as "It's against health and safety!". No it's not!! It's just a crap excuse because some middle manager has decided that they might get sued if the parent scalds their child.
This is one of the reasons I use my local garage. They let me and my 6 year old work on my car, knowing that I'll take responsibility for keeping him safe, or if he hurts himself. It is so refreshing...
coming back to subject -
there is first aid course for parents - about 45 quid in red cross
also another one: http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/volunteer.aspx
"First aider – Imagine how it would feel to be part of a team that saves lives. As a first aider, you’ll deliver care to people in need at public events in your community" - it just wanders me what kind of public events it includes and how often
