Celox

[Winklebury]

Hi everyone,

My brother is on a diver medical course atm, learning how to stitch, transfuse, etc...

He has come across something absolutely amazing - Celox. Now its not cheap, but check out the first link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCSf5Asa8rc

Here is an amazon link:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Celox-Haemostat ... ords=celox

I have about 200 pounds worth, and have it spread across my first aid kits and EDC. It looks great, and I hope some people invest in it.

As always, I am not affiliated with any of this stuff. I like to spread the knowledge and insight I have. And this stuff is pretty bl00dy mind blowing!

[Devonian]

Do a bit more research into the stuff, yes its great at stopping bleeding, but it makes one heck of a mess and potentially far more damage can be done by the surgeons having to get inside you to clean the stuff out.

This is particularly relevant to the loose granules which I understood was no longer manufactured for that very reason.

The newer version is now impregnated within a dressing to help contain the granules and to limit the damage it causes.

This stuff can also cause serious burns as it heats up significantly, so do not think it is a wonder cure to everything, far better to be using a trauma dressing and keeping the celox (impregnated bandages) as a last resort!

[Sirmattyb]

Hey ya there are a few discussions on this and other hemostatic (quikclot, hemocon etc) agents on this and other forums and opinion seems to be divided on use etc. I personally have a mixture of Hemcon, QuikClot and mainly celox in each of my first aid kits. I am on the side of the fence where I am a firm believer that anything that prolongs life and gives you time to get to a doctor or in the SHTF scenario try and patch myself up. I also carry CAT (tourniquets) in each of my bags as well and once again opinion is even more divided on use of these

[Sirmattyb]

Do a bit more research into the stuff, yes its great at stopping bleeding, but it makes one heck of a mess and potentially far more damage can be done by the surgeons having to get inside you to clean the stuff out.

This is particularly relevant to the loose granules which I understood was no longer manufactured for that very reason.

The newer version is now impregnated within a dressing to help contain the granules and to limit the damage it causes.

This stuff can also cause serious burns as it heats up significantly, so do not think it is a wonder cure to everything, far better to be using a trauma dressing and keeping the celox (impregnated bandages) as a last resort!

hey Devonion the new granules are better in that they are easier to get rid of and also dont cause burns (which is the case of the older granules) they also now do the quikclot in an applicator which allows you to get the granules into the gunshot/stab wound. http://www.celoxmedical.com/eur/eurprod ... tscelox-a/ (this is for the celox applicator counts be bothered to find the Quikclot link)

the new celox and quikclot do not cause heat and the hemcon never did.

[Briggs]

Exactly what the guys above said. Be careful with stuff.

[Winklebury]

Hi Guys

I appreciate the replies.

However, there is an important point you're missing.

Celox is not exothermic, other products such as QuikClot, are, but this works in a different way. It is easy to remove by surgeons, and does not act by heating up and cauterising the wound. It is a really important point.

The bandage version is for smaller wounds, and is designed to be more cost effective.

I hope this helps!

[Medic]

Celox is now carried on front line ambulances as well as CAT tourniquets. That speaks volumes!

Celox combat gauze is also good for wounds, you just pack the wound with it then put a pressure bandage over the top.

Quik Clot, Celox, HemCon they all do the same job which is form a clot. Mainly used for junctional bleeds (groin, armpit, neck) where you cannot apply pressure very well. Just remember that these need oxygenated blood to work so it's no good applying a tourniquet on a limb then putting celox on the wound below the tourniquet.

Which is the best? Well it's swings and roundabouts folks, whatever one you prefer.

Just google it or go to the respective websites, there's loads of data, videos etc.

[Bosworth]

I prep for self sufficiency should TSHTF. How might one deal with the agent once the body had clotted up? Would this just be swapping one problem for another? And just delaying the inevitable if proper care was unavailable?

[ForgeCorvus]

Now thats a good point.

Celox et al are used for First Aid..... How are they if its a case of Only Aid ??

[Holomon]

Now thats a good point.

Celox et al are used for First Aid..... How are they if its a case of Only Aid ??

Totally missed this thread - the honest answer is if you've got a wound that you've had to fill with Celox you're going to be screwed unless you know how to fix it. The idea is you can plug a hole and stop from bleeding out, but eventually any damage is going to have to be repaired by someone, there's not much chance something that serious is going to take care of itself.

If you're talking about Celox specifically, it's easy enough to remove. You can scoop it out because it's gloopy, and then rinse the wound off. Any small amounts left in there will be broken down by your body eventually.
Best to check other brands of hemostatic agent before you use them, Quickclot is another "safe" one, uses a different composition (Celox is derived from shrimp) but does the same job.

Don't forget you can also jam a tampon in a deep wound rather than wasting precious magic dust if SHTF and your supplies are running low.