Run to the hills?

[bulldogeagle]

big wimps

oh you think so? better weather, longer growing season, lots of markets, farm shops and roadside stalls, and friendly people(thats the locals-not the incomers!)

[jansman]

I'm a Midlander- we get some of everything!

[AndyG89]

As mentioned in the OP, there are waste disposal issues if you decide to bug in.
Realistically what can you do to dispose of waste if you have sealed yourself in and you have no running water, and dare not venture outside?!

[Stasher]

This response is coming from someone who doesn't prep for teotwawki as I believe the variables are are too huge to prep for - I think teotwawki preps are realistically more skill based

However

Having said that, in the short term waste disposal is actually safe waste storage

Longer than a week at bugging in I would hope that anyone has thought this thro carefully. If you have an older property with floorboards with dirt underneath it may be possible to fashion somekind of composting toilet which I would suggest is again only used short term. Longer than that you will need access to the outside - preferably from day one. Composting toilet I would think is they way forward.

Or maybe people are thinking going medieval style and just chucking it out the window! An excellent defence system!

[Wulfshead]

For getting rid of waste in my home is quite easy.
That said the scenario needs assume that there is plenty of food and water available to wait out the worst times by bugging in for as long as possible, we are in reality well stocked for basic survival rations for circa 3 months.

Our home sits on a plot which has a natural stream running at the bottom of our garden albeit having been run through land-drains and covered by my father when we moved to our home in the late 60s.
Our surface water from the hard standing areas around my home is taken via drainage running into a soakaway that then filters into the aforementioned natural stream, in 40 years I have never seen a storm which my father's soakaway system could not easily handle.
The soakaway has a concrete slab which is lifted circa every 5-6 years to scrape away any silt that has gathered and to remove the broken bricks and clean out the total depth of circa 3 feet (90 cm). The broken bricks are then chucked back in and forgotten about for another 5-6 years.

Now my mother and father were avid campers but I think they were the pre-runner to the Glamping trend of modern times. My father made our family tent more like a hotel room than a canvas shelter, which brings me to the toilet.
We had a chemical toilet in which was put blue liquid which broke down the solids into a liquid.
That becomes important because that liquid could quite easily be put down the soakaway a couple of times a week and the soakaway is a good 60 feet from the back of our house.
There are no smells because the blue fluid removes the stink.
I don't actually care about what is downstream from my home because I'm prepping for my family and home.
I'll hang on in there until the last moment and then I'm off to somewhere I can hunt and fish and live as best I can.

On that subject, I have a very fit son and son-in-law and extended home stay could be made by leaving my home at night to hunt in the morning and return under cover of the next night.
My two lads are well able to protect the home and 2 is almost as good as 3 but then the ladies of my family are preppers and are well able to use the gifts that prepping has made them mindful to have and be ready to utilise.

As much as the woodland bug out doesn't bother me, infact I quite like the idea, I would rather hold on to the last vestiges of after event luxuries that I can, and for as long as I can

Wulfshead

[undomesticdiva]

The um.. waste disposal system can be rectified

I read this a while a go so you can maybe find a way of integrating it into your particular situation? http://homestead-honey.com/2013/12/11/t ... homestead/

[poppypiesdad]

For getting rid of waste in my home is quite easy.
That said the scenario needs assume that there is plenty of food and water available to wait out the worst times by bugging in for as long as possible, we are in reality well stocked for basic survival rations for circa 3 months.

Our home sits on a plot which has a natural stream running at the bottom of our garden albeit having been run through land-drains and covered by my father when we moved to our home in the late 60s.
Our surface water from the hard standing areas around my home is taken via drainage running into a soakaway that then filters into the aforementioned natural stream, in 40 years I have never seen a storm which my father's soakaway system could not easily handle.
The soakaway has a concrete slab which is lifted circa every 5-6 years to scrape away any silt that has gathered and to remove the broken bricks and clean out the total depth of circa 3 feet (90 cm). The broken bricks are then chucked back in and forgotten about for another 5-6 years.

Now my mother and father were avid campers but I think they were the pre-runner to the Glamping trend of modern times. My father made our family tent more like a hotel room than a canvas shelter, which brings me to the toilet.
We had a chemical toilet in which was put blue liquid which broke down the solids into a liquid.
That becomes important because that liquid could quite easily be put down the soakaway a couple of times a week and the soakaway is a good 60 feet from the back of our house.
There are no smells because the blue fluid removes the stink.
I don't actually care about what is downstream from my home because I'm prepping for my family and home.
I'll hang on in there until the last moment and then I'm off to somewhere I can hunt and fish and live as best I can.

On that subject, I have a very fit son and son-in-law and extended home stay could be made by leaving my home at night to hunt in the morning and return under cover of the next night.
My two lads are well able to protect the home and 2 is almost as good as 3 but then the ladies of my family are preppers and are well able to use the gifts that prepping has made them mindful to have and be ready to utilise.

As much as the woodland bug out doesn't bother me, infact I quite like the idea, I would rather hold on to the last vestiges of after event luxuries that I can, and for as long as I can

Wulfshead

Jebus , you do know the main ingredients of kew blue are formaldahide and methanol , and you pour it into a water course ........... Speachless

[Wulfshead]

@ Poppypiesdad,
Yea, that is exactly what I'm saying I'd do.

Here's a heads up for you.
In the scenario we are talking about we are hunkering in until the last moment, things must be very bad.
Now in the 40 years I've lived in this house or returned to it that 'little stream has been built over and covered in to such an extent that as far as I can trace it the thing is little more than a mile long soakaway in itself.
It forms absolutely no part of the supplied water system seeing as I know where our water comes from and that of the areas around me come from.
Infact, I'd be willing to bet the poison coming from my deposits into a long redundant trickle would be less than the filth from decaying flesh that would no doubt be abundant in such a scenario leading me to tip treated poo down the soakaway.
Did you perchance think I would do such if it was anything but absolute needs must ? I hope not because I'd be bloody speechless.

And another thing, we are preppers and people think we are mad. If that really really bad time came then I would not care about the multitude of people that think what I/we do is crazy, they are either dead, on their way to being dead or on their way to being the very same thing as the vermin that roam the streets in gangs. I will not care about them one jot. So let's get it straight from the start, my 'Elsan Blue poo dumping will be a last resort into a dead stream in a place I will probably be leaving some time in the weeks ahead.

Lots of happy thoughts from my bunker,
Wulfshead