poppypiesdad wrote:There is two problems with that type of knife
One it locks in place " locking knife "
Two "stanley blade "
Two red alerts for the plod to do you on .
And wulfshead most pocket tools are illegal due to length of blade in it and it locks open due to the mechanisms needed to get the blade out.
The real question should be why you need a knife in the first place , in a public area , on your belt.
And is it worth a police caution or even court / criminal conviction for it ....
J
poppypiesdad,
wilco multi-tool that I carry has a 2 7/8 non locking blade, but I would know that as blades are what I do for a living.
I have good reason to carry it also as I usually have an amateur radio on me and/or am out in the wilds.
ffs, is not a legal knife a survival tool ?
Still, I note your comments.
Wulfshead
Area 4 Coordinator
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack
I carry a Swiss army knife virtually always. It has a 3 1/2 inch blade that locks open. The only time I don't take it is the rare occasions I go to London. I decided many years ago that I was happy to stand up in court and defend myself as I am a law abiding person with no previous police contact. I'd be very unlucky if stopped and searched and even if I was there is nothing inherently unlawful in carrying a knife. The key phrase is 'lawful excuse'. I use my knife and it's associated tools everyday for many things.
Could I be arrested or have the knife seized - yes. Am I concerned that will happen - no. Am I prepared to accept the consequences if it does - yes.
And that's why I carry mine. You need to make your own decisions
poppypiesdad wrote:There is two problems with that type of knife
One it locks in place " locking knife "
Two "stanley blade "
Two red alerts for the plod to do you on .
And wulfshead most pocket tools are illegal due to length of blade in it and it locks open due to the mechanisms needed to get the blade out.
The real question should be why you need a knife in the first place , in a public area , on your belt.
And is it worth a police caution or even court / criminal conviction for it ....
J
poppypiesdad,
wilco multi-tool that I carry has a 2 7/8 non locking blade, but I would know that as blades are what I do for a living.
I have good reason to carry it also as I usually have an amateur radio on me and/or am out in the wilds.
ffs, is not a legal knife a survival tool ?
Still, I note your comments.
Wulfshead
Note, disregard , do as you want but there are plenty of multi-tools out there that don't have a blade on them, but do have a multiple uses
Gerber shard
Gerber bladeless multi plier
Pico wiggly pry bar
Leatherman tread .
To name but a few there are many .
Each man to there own defense .
poppypiesdad wrote:There is two problems with that type of knife
One it locks in place " locking knife "
Two "stanley blade "
Two red alerts for the plod to do you on .
And wulfshead most pocket tools are illegal due to length of blade in it and it locks open due to the mechanisms needed to get the blade out.
The real question should be why you need a knife in the first place , in a public area , on your belt.
And is it worth a police caution or even court / criminal conviction for it ....
J
poppypiesdad,
wilco multi-tool that I carry has a 2 7/8 non locking blade, but I would know that as blades are what I do for a living.
I have good reason to carry it also as I usually have an amateur radio on me and/or am out in the wilds.
ffs, is not a legal knife a survival tool ?
Still, I note your comments.
Wulfshead
Note, disregard , do as you want but there are plenty of multi-tools out there that don't have a blade on them, but do have a multiple uses
Gerber shard
Gerber bladeless multi plier
Pico wiggly pry bar
Leatherman tread .
To name but a few there are many .
Each man to there own defense .
Strange story,
I wonder what law he actually broke, the article seems clearly lacking of such information.
No reasonable reader, on the face of the article content, would find he did anything wrong in my opinion.
If he was me then an appeal would be going ahead if his knife, like MINE, was permitted under current law.
I reserve the right to carry, within the guidelines of current law, the tools I believe will aid me my daily life and/or in unforeseen circumstances.
Wulfshead
Area 4 Coordinator
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack
disabled man cares for wife blah blah blah doing nothing wrong blah blah blah uses it to cut apples, what a load of shite
Firstly he took a caution, which is likely to have been the advice of a solicitor which everyone can have if nicked.
Secondly it says nothing about the circumstances of his arrest, for all we know he might well have been a complete dick and resisted arrest or even tried to get to the knife, none of us were there, but having dealt with hundreds if not thousands of idiots on the street my thoughts are that it is a little bit more complicated than that.
and Thirdly, if that had been me in those circumstances I wouldn't have taken the caution, I would have gone to court and had my day. There's a world of difference between possession of a knife and possession of a knife(bladed article), and as we've all seen and stated before in numerous posts "its not what you do its the way that you do it"
just be sensible out there
Train hard,Fight easy, put the kettle on and make tea
i will post this again from the last time it was posted
Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to:
sell a knife to anyone under 18 (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives) unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)
Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives:
have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener
Banned knives and weapons
It is illegal to bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give anyone the following:
butterfly knives (also known as ‘balisongs’) - a blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle
disguised knives - a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick
flick knives (also known as ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - a blade hidden inside a handle which shoots out when a button is pressed
gravity knives
stealth knives - a knife or spike not made from metal (except when used at home, for food or a toy)
zombie knives - a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence
swords, including samurai swords - a curved blade over 50cm (with some exceptions, such as antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
sword-sticks - a hollow walking stick or cane containing a blade
push daggers
blowpipes (‘blow gun’)
telescopic truncheons - extend automatically by pressing button or spring in the handle
batons - straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons
hollow kubotans - a cylinder-shaped keychain holding spikes
shurikens (also known as ‘shaken’, ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
kusari-gama - a sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire
kyoketsu-shoge - a hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire
kusari (or ‘manrikigusari’) - a weight attached to a rope, cord, wire
hand or foot-claws
knuckledusters
This is not a complete list of banned knives and weapons. Contact your local police to check if a knife or weapon is illegal.
Good reasons for carrying a knife or weapon
Examples of good reasons to carry a knife or weapon in public can include:
taking knives you use at work to and from work
taking it to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
if it’ll be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, for example the kirpan some Sikhs carry
if it’ll be used in a demonstration or to teach someone how to use it
A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife or a weapon if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.
Last updated: 9 September 2016 from HM Government
Train hard,Fight easy, put the kettle on and make tea
There's definitely something we're not being told in that article, firstly the knife he is holding appears to be legal, secondly the police only have the power to search your vehicle if they have reasonable grounds to suspect that they will find stolen or prohibited items, (apart from in section 60 areas, this would be hugely unlikely to be the case) he wasn't over the limit, so you have to wonder what happened to give the police grounds for a search, suspicion of driving while over the limit isn't enough, that only gives them grounds to administer a roadside breath test.
It isn't clear, but it looks from the article that he went to court and pleaded guilty since he had to pay costs, so I would say there is definitely information missing.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.
Supt Meakin said in his statement: "At 11.45pm on February 23, police received a report that while Mr Knowles was in the Highweek Inn he had made an alleged threat that he was going to use a knife to harm someone.
"The police were advised that Mr Knowles had left the address in a vehicle.
"The vehicle was stopped a short while later by my police officers, where Mr Knowles was arrested for supplying a positive breath test. A further test at the police station proved he was under the legal drink drive limit."
"The vehicle was searched for a weapon and a Buck Whittaker lock knife was found. The knife is illegal and has a serrated edge."
Yorkshire Andy,
From the second article you found I'd say that the police had every right to stop and search him and his car.
The 'strange story' comment was made because, like Jamesey 1981 stated, something didn't sound right from the Daily Mail article.
The being pulled up for a drink & drive thing reminded me of when I got pulled up on new years eve in me Jag. I was on powerful meds and couldn't drink. The copper was almost falling out of his passenger window trying to smell booze on my breath. The initial reason for pulling me up was I made a brake that nearly had him hit the back of me. I said 'It's up to you to keep a safe distance is it not'
I do mind putting coppers in their place when I know I'm in the right.
Mind you, a car full of merry makers at chuck out time would be an almost cert for a nick in most cases I think.
Wulfshead
Area 4 Coordinator
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack
