Red petrol

[skippy]

that is a myth
a friend of mine is a tanker driver, many times when leaving the terminal, he has himself thrown the die into the tank himself
there are no markers.
usually red diesel if filtered down through a different micron filter, but if none is available before delivery then normal white diesel is used
white diesel is itself dyed.
Fullers earth is the traditional method for removing the dye
and there are many places that sell "dye" for diesel, you can have almost any colour you like

Sorry not a myth - section below taken from parlimentary records

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Examination of Witnesses (Questions 80 - 99)
(Mr Gerrard) As I understand the law, the Euromarker has to be added to all rebated fuels in Europe, but you can still have domestic markers. If we found a marker that was better than our current markers—and in red diesel it is a chemical called quinizarin, in kerosene it is a chemical called coumarin—if we found a marker that was better than those then we could still add it because it would be our domestic marker. I can check whether that is the case but I am pretty certain that it is. We are certainly looking at the latest marking technology and we are working with some of the academics in the field. There are some very interesting things which are about in other areas which are being looked at to see whether they can be applied to oils. One is that a dye could be added which is part of the hydrocarbon chain, so if you try to get rid of the marker the hydrocarbon chain dissolves. Rather than having fuel you have sludge. Whether than can be applied to hydrocarbon oils is not certain but we have some academics working on that at the moment. We are always looking at ways we can look at technology to assist us. As part of the Chancellor's budget announcement we are to get better kit for our road testing units, the latest spectrometer technology which uses waves to detect colour. As the Committee knows from its visit to Belfast in February, we have state-of-the-art scanners on the tobacco side. We are always looking at new technology but it is a rolling science. I wish we had the answer now but it tends to take a little time.


Skippy

[hillingdonpete]

79. We have been extremely disappointed with the slow progress since the invitation to industry went out in 2009. HMRC told us the reason for the delay was due to the "very limited response" to the invitation and that none of the marker products evaluated by HMRC fully met HMRC's requirements.[115] HMRC explained that any new marker would have to be more difficult to launder than the current one and able to give a result to a quick and efficient roadside test. Those companies which had showed an initial interest had been invited to witness the requirements of roadside testing, but had not, according to HMRC, taken up the offer.[116] This evidence is disputed. When asked about the time delay, Mr John Whiting, Assistant Director Criminal Investigation, Wales, West and Northern Ireland, HMRC, said he had the same frustrations as the Committee about the introduction of a new marker and that he was: "particularly frustrated with the trade and its response to the Department's invitation to come up with a solution."[117]

80. We also took evidence in private—on account of commercial confidentiality—from a company which had responded to the request for expressions of interest, and which disputed some of the evidence put forward by HMRC. After the oral evidence sessions concluded, the Committee received clarification from HMRC, in relation to its oral evidence, stating:

We are sorry that we may have inadvertently misled the Committee by omission due to a gap in our knowledge on the latest position on testing of markers in the Republic of Ireland.[118]


There are no markers

[papa]

79. We have been extremely disappointed with the slow progress since the invitation to industry went out in 2009. HMRC told us the reason for the delay was due to the "very limited response" to the invitation and that none of the marker products evaluated by HMRC fully met HMRC's requirements.[115] HMRC explained that any new marker would have to be more difficult to launder than the current one and able to give a result to a quick and efficient roadside test. Those companies which had showed an initial interest had been invited to witness the requirements of roadside testing, but had not, according to HMRC, taken up the offer.[116] This evidence is disputed. When asked about the time delay, Mr John Whiting, Assistant Director Criminal Investigation, Wales, West and Northern Ireland, HMRC, said he had the same frustrations as the Committee about the introduction of a new marker and that he was: "particularly frustrated with the trade and its response to the Department's invitation to come up with a solution."[117]

80. We also took evidence in private—on account of commercial confidentiality—from a company which had responded to the request for expressions of interest, and which disputed some of the evidence put forward by HMRC. After the oral evidence sessions concluded, the Committee received clarification from HMRC, in relation to its oral evidence, stating:

We are sorry that we may have inadvertently misled the Committee by omission due to a gap in our knowledge on the latest position on testing of markers in the Republic of Ireland.[118]


There are no markers

Dont we just luve it......

[90.]

you can dye your own diesel, one of the lorry firms here has dark green diesel to prevent staff theft, it is only colour change. though you need to register the colour change with excise.
commercial red diesel is also a colour dye, dyes can be detected via the exhaust emissions even if the dye has been removed or changed.

as for being dipped, I've been dipped on many occasions along the m4 even after I showed them I had a fuel card for my company vehicle, last time I was dipped was yesterday going into work in my landrover.
full check. eg look over and ID check, tank was dipped, clear fuel lines checked for staining and emissions checked.

want to get checked? drive a diesel to work where they are building a new road, you tend to find many of the road crews drive old diesels..wonder why? well all the road plant runs on red diesel as do the gennys etc.

Today in work the ministry was in checking plates & dipping tanks on hgv's passing the weighbridge.

I asked once what would happen if they found red in my tank, & was told they would total up my ave mileage from when I purchased the vehicle, work out how much tax I could have avoided and then fined me that amount, if it exceeded the value of the car they would request the car to be sized.
was also told they catch at least one person every day,if your running red stay away from Port Talbot this week.

90.

[jansman]

Anyhow, we should not advocate tax avoidance here at UK Preppers. It'll put us in the same league as those evil,tax dodging corporations like Starbucks and Google!!

[Salty]

Filtering Red diesel through bread is an old and well used trick and does work if you want to sell the diesel on to some poor unsuspecting sod.

The "cleaned" diesel still has a chemical marker in it that the bread does not remove and if you are stopped by HM Customs your tank will be tested for this chemical.
You will then be arrested, your car siezed and prosecuted.

Not worth it realy.

Skippy

You won't be arrested. It's a £500 on the spot fine. If you can't pay it there and then you could have your vehicle seized, and then you'll incur additional costs for recovery, storage etc.

A lot of hauliers (who are a bit dodgy) just flout the law and carry the fine in cash, should they get caught.

Vegetable oil is a better alternative, if you can filter old used stuff which you get for free off local chips shops and restaurants. New stuff doubled in price a good few years ago since half of Swansea were found to be using it lol!

I think rush hour used to smell more like tea time!

Incidentally, I tried the thing with the bread, for filtering red petrol. Worked like a charm, but sadly my toaster exploded!