What NO Electric

[VSAINT]

I have just been reading ( And replying to ) Midlandpreppers topic on wood burners .
If a Solar or Nuclear event happend to disrupt our electric supply we would be faced with the loss of not only our tellys and fridges but what else ?
Pumped fresh water to our house / Sewage pumped away / No way to get money out of a machine / No way to pay with a card / No food on the shelves to buy any way ?
As preppers we have a plan for all of the above ? Dont we ?
How do we get rid of the sewage we create ?
Store it in bags in the house or put it out side in the sun to ferment and create a health risk ?
Or make a Methane gas generator and simply recyle it and get free gas to cook with or run a vehicle on . And high quality Nitrogen fertiliser to grow our own food with to boot .
These can be made as big as ahouse to power a village or as small as a gas bottle to keep in the house .
But the underlying feature is that of getting rid of our waste and benefitting from it without adding to the planets problems .
Take alook on Youtube at the Indian designs ( Methane Gas Generator ), They are easy and simple to construct and best of all , They all have a bottom entry shute to allow you to keep topping them up with waste , Unlike the 2 barrel British designs that require you to run out of gas after 6 to 8 weeks . Then start all over again .

[diamond lil]

Personally pet, I'd get the hubby to dig a hole for it!

[preppingsu]

There's a thread here about drain clamps for when there is no sewage disposal.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2648&p=27857&hilit ... ipe#p27857

Compost toilets are another way for the human waste issue. It can eventually be used on the garden.
Plenty of info on the net if you google it.

http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/ ... aders-vote

http://www.lowimpact.org/factsheet_compost_toilets.htm

http://www.natsol.co.uk/

Personally keeping the solution simple is the best way as we all don't have the knowledge or expertise to fiddle about with methane gas collectors etc

[jean405]

In an emergency a camping loo, like this one, would do

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kampa-khazi-Kha ... 2_edpp_url

You could use kitty litter/sand, wood pellets or sawdust to help with the smell. I would use one of these at night and dig a hole in the garden, with a wooden shack over it to use during the day.

Methane gas could come later

Jean

[VSAINT]

What use is a non return valve if the sewage isnt being pumped away ?And i wouldnt like to be in your house when you tell your hubby to go out and dig in the nuclear fallout to bury your bag of pooh ? And i would rather use a good Zeolite kitty litter as an emergency nitrogen scrubber to provide oxygen than as a way to get rid of smells ?
Come on be honest here , it cant be the technicality of the designs as a 50 gallon plastic barrel with a brass compression tank fitting is all that is required to attach a hose pipe to to deliver the gas inside your house .And it cant be the smell , as there isnt any .
Iff like in Canada a few years back a large solar event knocks out the electricity grid for 3 months , Whats your real plan to provide 3 months worth of fuel to provide electricity and hot meals !
1 pooh a day , thats 90+ holes to dig in your garden this also applys to the use of a camping toilet ( we have a simple bucket type with lid and seat for a short term use ) As you still have the waste disposal problem .A toilet compost unit is ok but your simply allowing all that free and much needed combustable gas to simply float away .
Whilst you sit in the house shivering and wishing that you had a bigger supply of gas cartridges for the little gas heater you bought .
Funny how a free supply of gas for upto 2 months just isnt appealing to some people ?

[preppingsu]

What use is a non return valve if the sewage isnt being pumped away ?And i wouldnt like to be in your house when you tell your hubby to go out and dig in the nuclear fallout to bury your bag of pooh ? And i would rather use a good Zeolite kitty litter as an emergency nitrogen scrubber to provide oxygen than as a way to get rid of smells ?
Come on be honest here , it cant be the technicality of the designs as a 50 gallon plastic barrel with a brass compression tank fitting is all that is required to attach a hose pipe to to deliver the gas inside your house .And it cant be the smell , as there isnt any .
Iff like in Canada a few years back a large solar event knocks out the electricity grid for 3 months , Whats your real plan to provide 3 months worth of fuel to provide electricity and hot meals !
1 pooh a day , thats 90+ holes to dig in your garden this also applys to the use of a camping toilet ( we have a simple bucket type with lid and seat for a short term use ) As you still have the waste disposal problem .A toilet compost unit is ok but your simply allowing all that free and much needed combustable gas to simply float away .
Whilst you sit in the house shivering and wishing that you had a bigger supply of gas cartridges for the little gas heater you bought .
Funny how a free supply of gas for upto 2 months just isnt appealing to some people ?

You've made an awful lot of assumptions there. I won't be shivering in my house, preps are well sorted there!

Most of us aren't prepping for a nuclear fallout, there are many other reasons why we prep. And if that is the case well then may the gods help us all.

Compost toilet will provide the most needed nutrients to continue with a self sufficient lifestyle and provide my family with the food they will need.


If its a nuclear winter you are prepping for may I suggest you find another forum that is more to your way of thinking.

[VSAINT]

Hi , i have prepped for most scenarios , My origional message stated that in the event of a Solar or Nuclear event , and asked what would others do without electricity , And i pointed out that the sewage problem is over looked by many .
And i sugested the use of the Methane generation plant as both an answer to the problem and a supply of a renewable energy source .
I made the assumptions based upon the style of writing within the replys !
When and where do i talk of a nuclear winter ? Fallout can come from many sources , The Fukushima incident saw fallout being recorded in both Peterborough and Scotland .
The Chernobile incident gave radiation readings on the yorkshire moors around Whitby .
God only knows where the 3 mile island fallout landed ?
All these have happened in living history .
And the missed point seems to center around the fact that the fuel source is free and gets rid of the Methane gas that composters produce , That is many more times more polluting than C02 in the atmosphere .

[preppingsu]

Hi , i have prepped for most scenarios , My origional message stated that in the event of a Solar or Nuclear event , and asked what would others do without electricity , And i pointed out that the sewage problem is over looked by many .
And i sugested the use of the Methane generation plant as both an answer to the problem and a supply of a renewable energy source .
I made the assumptions based upon the style of writing within the replys !
When and where do i talk of a nuclear winter ? Fallout can come from many sources , The Fukushima incident saw fallout being recorded in both Peterborough and Scotland .
The Chernobile incident gave radiation readings on the yorkshire moors around Whitby .
God only knows where the 3 mile island fallout landed ?
All these have happened in living history .
And the missed point seems to center around the fact that the fuel source is free and gets rid of the Methane gas that composters produce , That is many more times more polluting than C02 in the atmosphere .

If you could give some scientific sources for your information and the impact it had on the areas concerned, the people living there etc then I would be most grateful.

[Reservior]

Any chance you could post your plans for your methane gas producing/collection thingy?

It's something I have thought about in the past but I fear I suffer from a lack of space.

[diamond lil]

You've hardly been in the forum ten minutes and you're arguing with a Mod already. If you want to stay in the forum then tone it down a bit. We're here to discuss, not be lectured