as a Paramedic and Combat medic who has used tourniquets several times in afghan and iraq.... if direct/indirect pressure, elevation and dressings have not worked and you use a tourniquet...
1. Who is going to do the surgery to fix the severed blood vessels / amputate the limb.
2. what are you going to do about the metabolic toxins?
in combat when we use them we are condemning a limb to amputation in most cases. AND we have MERT and hospitals to help. depending on your SHTF situation they become unnecessary.. if it is a TEOTW event the person is dead anyway and if it is not you call an ambulance. ambulances dont carry tourniquets (with exception of HART/SORT).
best thing you can do is good first aid. a first aid kit is called that for a reason for a reason. most people are first aid trained.
What medical equipment do you have?
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
Give a man fire and he will be warm for a day..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
That's why I don't like some, or all, of these SHTF scenarios, they get in the way of proper everyday prepping for real every day activities.
I have a CAT, I have been looking at celox, because when I go out I might get hurt doing some of the activities I do, and these items might be of use to get me down to a casualty unit or the road, my vehicle or to an ambulance to get me to hospital.
As the combat medics and current and ex-servicemen/women on here already know, the combat soldier and others used to be issued with a First Field Dressing (FFD) to use on wounds they sustained, you never use your kit on others, you use their kit first and foremost.
Thankfully I have never had a major incident whilst out and about, a few minor ones that I have been able to use some of my kit on and also for dealing with others when absolutely necesssary whilst awaiting a the arrival of an ambulance.
It doesn't need to be SHTF all the time to have this kit in your store, everyday life can throw enough problems.
I have a CAT, I have been looking at celox, because when I go out I might get hurt doing some of the activities I do, and these items might be of use to get me down to a casualty unit or the road, my vehicle or to an ambulance to get me to hospital.
As the combat medics and current and ex-servicemen/women on here already know, the combat soldier and others used to be issued with a First Field Dressing (FFD) to use on wounds they sustained, you never use your kit on others, you use their kit first and foremost.
Thankfully I have never had a major incident whilst out and about, a few minor ones that I have been able to use some of my kit on and also for dealing with others when absolutely necesssary whilst awaiting a the arrival of an ambulance.
It doesn't need to be SHTF all the time to have this kit in your store, everyday life can throw enough problems.
Stop, Read, absorb, understand, reply.
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
for the remote and adventure medical Celox and a CAT are really useful, but because the infra-structure is in place for the continued care and i do approve of their use for that.
just remember for a CAT.. 10 mins on then release for 5mins. then you might save the limb.
and for celox.. not in the chest cavity.. really wasnt pretty when i saw that..
but for both use once you try the basics and they havent worked
military dressings are great things to carry and there are many different makes now
see i'm not against every thing in medicine
just remember for a CAT.. 10 mins on then release for 5mins. then you might save the limb.
and for celox.. not in the chest cavity.. really wasnt pretty when i saw that..
but for both use once you try the basics and they havent worked
military dressings are great things to carry and there are many different makes now
see i'm not against every thing in medicine
Give a man fire and he will be warm for a day..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
I bought a stack of Israeli dressings last year and I have about half a dozen (6) FFDs in the kit boxes
Stop, Read, absorb, understand, reply.
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
the Israeli ones that the MOD ones are based on are really good i quite like the oales dressings as they have the self securing elastic bandage and a funny pressure cup thing too. they have worked really well the times i have used them for work.
Give a man fire and he will be warm for a day..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
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Manclife
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
I had posted this on the 'list' part of the forum but its probably better suited here|
My other half is a Paramedic and I asked her “You’ve an hour to grab as much stuff from work as you can then we’re off to the hills for 3 months. What would you take?”
The list, as you can imagine, was extensive. Some of the items such as Morphine was simply illegal, some were impractical such as defibrillator and oxygen tanks. However, after a bit of thinking we ended up with a minimum list that you could buy over the counter that would need little or no training to use. This should small enough to be carried/stored easily for everyday use (otherwise what's the point) yet comprehensive enough for 72hrs. This is now what we carry in both our vehicles.
TRAUMA
3 x Wound dressing Bandages (if it bleeding that heavily you need more than that your in trouble)
1 x Tourniquet (doesn’t solve a problem but will buy you thinking time)
5 x Butterfly Stitches (yeah you can use any tape but they weigh nothing)
5 x Pairs Non-latex gloves (mainly to prevent infection to an injury)
2 x Water Gel aka Burn Dressing
Assorted plasters
Elastic Material Tape (better than Micropore)
AILMENTS
Paracetamol (Pain relief)
Ibuprofen (Anti-inflammatory)
Co-Codamol (Pain relief with a bit more umpf!)
Antihistamine (Bites- allergic reactions as well as helping with sleep)_
Imodium Instants (Diarrhoea)
Anti-septic cream (Keeps cuts/scratches clean)
Tweezers (Splinters, Ticks and plucking eyebrows)
Small Scissors
Splints, sutures and other bits are covered by other items for example sewing kit, walking poles etc
My other half is a Paramedic and I asked her “You’ve an hour to grab as much stuff from work as you can then we’re off to the hills for 3 months. What would you take?”
The list, as you can imagine, was extensive. Some of the items such as Morphine was simply illegal, some were impractical such as defibrillator and oxygen tanks. However, after a bit of thinking we ended up with a minimum list that you could buy over the counter that would need little or no training to use. This should small enough to be carried/stored easily for everyday use (otherwise what's the point) yet comprehensive enough for 72hrs. This is now what we carry in both our vehicles.
TRAUMA
3 x Wound dressing Bandages (if it bleeding that heavily you need more than that your in trouble)
1 x Tourniquet (doesn’t solve a problem but will buy you thinking time)
5 x Butterfly Stitches (yeah you can use any tape but they weigh nothing)
5 x Pairs Non-latex gloves (mainly to prevent infection to an injury)
2 x Water Gel aka Burn Dressing
Assorted plasters
Elastic Material Tape (better than Micropore)
AILMENTS
Paracetamol (Pain relief)
Ibuprofen (Anti-inflammatory)
Co-Codamol (Pain relief with a bit more umpf!)
Antihistamine (Bites- allergic reactions as well as helping with sleep)_
Imodium Instants (Diarrhoea)
Anti-septic cream (Keeps cuts/scratches clean)
Tweezers (Splinters, Ticks and plucking eyebrows)
Small Scissors
Splints, sutures and other bits are covered by other items for example sewing kit, walking poles etc
Last edited by Manclife on Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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justsurviving
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Re: What medical equipment do you have?
I think Cody Lundin recommends the Israeli battle dressing . I'm sure I saw it for about a tenner on eBay
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
You can get them cheaper if you buy a batch rather than one or two.justsurviving wrote:I think Cody Lundin recommends the Israeli battle dressing . I'm sure I saw it for about a tenner on eBay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOT-20-Israel ... 3f20738997
20 dressings for under £26, thats about £1.30 each
And having a few for training is usefulStop, Read, absorb, understand, reply.
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
If people want some just ask. We can get them much cheaper. In 2 different sizes. Same for celox and CATs
Give a man fire and he will be warm for a day..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life..
Re: What medical equipment do you have?
If you are putting together a full medical kit rather than buying one (which I think is the better option) then modularise it.
Base your first aid/emergency/pre-hospital care kit around C-ABCDE and then add modules for burns and fractures as required. Notice I have three first aid type kits. One for the rucksac, one for the car/boat/etc and one for the house.
Once you have your core emergency kit then consider what you might need for primary care, i.e. coughs, colds, rashes, bites, stings etc and again modularise it by system; Muscular, Respiratory, Circulatory, Endocrine, Digestive, Nervous, Skin, Reproductive, Eyes, Ears Teeth.
Do the same with pharmaceuticals. It takes sometime to sort out what you need and then to source it all and pack it to how you need it. The key is to be realistic, medicine is not something that you can learn from a text book and there are lots of ways to improvise what you need.
Base your first aid/emergency/pre-hospital care kit around C-ABCDE and then add modules for burns and fractures as required. Notice I have three first aid type kits. One for the rucksac, one for the car/boat/etc and one for the house.
Once you have your core emergency kit then consider what you might need for primary care, i.e. coughs, colds, rashes, bites, stings etc and again modularise it by system; Muscular, Respiratory, Circulatory, Endocrine, Digestive, Nervous, Skin, Reproductive, Eyes, Ears Teeth.
Do the same with pharmaceuticals. It takes sometime to sort out what you need and then to source it all and pack it to how you need it. The key is to be realistic, medicine is not something that you can learn from a text book and there are lots of ways to improvise what you need.