Smoking chimneys

[Hamradioop]

I like to think Belfast Granny's post would be the eventual outcome of ppl behaving that way but.. i think some of the ppl in todays society have gained a sense of entitlement.. they already mug, rob and steal whatever they think they deserve to have,... Even now with the 'recession' and cut backs crime has already risen in burglarys, car theft, street robberys so I think we have to be preppared for the idea that some ppl will come to take whats urs!

Crime in England and Wales, year ending June 2012

Latest figures from the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) for the year ending June 2012 show a 6 per cent decrease in overall crime against adults compared with the previous year’s survey. However it is too early to conclude that the latest decrease, following the fairly flat trend seen in recent years, is evidence of an emerging downward trend.
Crimes recorded by the police also fell by 6 per cent for the year ending June 2012 compared with the previous year. This continues the downward trend in recorded crime seen since 2004/05.
All of the main categories of police recorded crime fell in the year ending June 2012 compared with the previous year. However, the sub-category theft from the person showed a 6 per cent increase.
Latest CSEW estimates show statistically significant decreases for incidents of vandalism, vehicle-related theft and burglary with entry, compared with the previous year. source:-
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-sta ... -2012.html

[redskies]

I think, before I believed those figures, I'd quite like a breakdown of how they're recorded and even if certain things are recorded as crimes. The old saying about lies and statistics come to mind, and it's amazing what a difference just a small bit of fiddling about can make!

[pigeonsniper]

I don't think there is any evidence in human history that mobs of starving "have nots"will rampage and attack the homes of the "haves"

It certainly did not happen during the Potato Famine in Ireland. The biggest killer was not hungry mobs of people - it was disease which killed the prepared and the rich just as much as the unprepared, poor and starving.

I think that the spread of disease is an under-considered area on all the prepper forums. American preppers certainly would be better stock piling antiseptics and antibiotics rather than worshiping and hoarding weapons.

One of the things that slightly puts me off as someone who has just very recently taken an interest in Prepping is the seemingly total lack of faith in human nature that many preppers seem to display (not necessarily on this forum)

I truly believe that the vast majority of people will work together, cooperate and not turn into homocidal maniacs despite any circumstances.

I do not think I would wish for survival for myself or my family in the bleak and savage world that some Preppers seem to forsee.

I can only assume that you're not familiar with the Russian revolution then? or maybe even the French revolution? or perhaps the Cuban Revolution? There are many examples in history of the weak and poor rising up. There are parallels with society as it is today IMHO. There is definitely a small proportion of people who own the majority of the wealth (and are getting increasingly richer on the backs of the rest of us) The people in this country have become lazy, apathetic and selfish and I'm afraid that the chickens are coming home to roost.
Should the shtf like it might then I'm afraid it's going to be very much every man or family for themselves. In the event of an impending societal breakdown my plan is to vacate the house as soon as possible and lie very low while large chunks of the population attack each other. I have no faith whatsoever in some utopian "big society" cuddle-fest where everyone looks after everyone else. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see much reason to suspect I will be at the moment.

As to smoking chimneys, where I'll be hiding out the only things that will see any smoke will be pigeons, pheasants and deer.

[short circuit]

if thay come nocking on my door i will give them a hand full of veg and tell them to warm there feet in my cooking pot joking btw thay might have smelly feet

[jansman]

Pigeonsniper, a small proportion of the populace have become rich on the backs of the rest(was it ever thus?)but the people in this country(I presume you mean the poor down trodden masses?) have become lazy , apathetic and selfish.

Please explain your point.

[pigeonsniper]

Pigeonsniper, a small proportion of the populace have become rich on the backs of the rest(was it ever thus?)but the people in this country(I presume you mean the poor down trodden masses?) have become lazy , apathetic and selfish.

Please explain your point.

Sure, while the elite have been busy amassing their fortunes by buying up any competition, homogenising our high streets and encouraging immigration for the purposes of a cheap and plentiful supply of labour, the vast majority of the population have stood by and watched it happen. They have been apathetic politically, settling for the lab/tory pendulum which has increasingly become just chips with either red or brown sauce. The politicians are self serving career opportunists with a nice little earner on the boards of many corporations. They have bought off many of the lazier members of the populace with ever increasingly generous benefits, in other words, cash for votes. In the meantime the general population have taken their eye off the ball believing that the good times will just keep on rolling. We are about to get what we deserve, just like the USA and every other society who lives with a sense of entitlement. Now someone has got to pay the bill, that means all of us. That also means that the top 1% will get substantially richer, the middle will just get squeezed even more and the spongers will just do what they always do, whinge and claim. Unfortunately our political elite will also continue to lie to us about Europe and force us down the federal route, which is not democracy and will bring about exactly what our fathers and grandfathers fought to avoid. That's what I meant.

[preppingsu]

And as this has now moved off topic can I ask you to return to the discussion of smoking chimneys.

I would also like to point out, that even though many of the situations we find ourselves faced with may be due to the past and current governments, we steer clear of any polictical debate on this forum. Thank You.

[12mp82]

In rural parts it might not be just smoking chimneys, anyone with some forethought out in the sticks may be running a genny and LPG for their heating, and anyone who has a modern heating boiler will know that on a cold morning those plumes of vapour from the flue are a bit of a give away

[jansman]

And as this has now moved off topic can I ask you to return to the discussion of smoking chimneys.

I would also like to point out, that even though many of the situations we find ourselves faced with may be due to the past and current governments, we steer clear of any polictical debate on this forum. Thank You.

Timely intervention Su. That was the tirade I expected upon request of explanation. However, as you say, back on topic.
As I said waaay back at the beginning of this thread, where I live we ALL have smoking chimneys. It is normal. Many on this forum would love an open fire /stove. Something of a paradox, when in challenged times we will go back to the open fire.
I think worrying about such things is like having a new car and worrying about it being stolen.

[nickdutch]

On youtube somewhere I saw a wood stove that had secondary air intake holes in the chimney near the stove that acted like the secondary air intake holes on a wood gas stove. The incoming air would ignite the smoke and any gasses in the chimney itself and would burn off the smoke thus creating a smokeless chimney.

Then the only thing that anyone might see coming off he top of the house would be the distortion created by rising hot air.

But that would be so difficult to see that it would be practically impossible to distinguish.