Bug Out Preppers Will Look Like the Unprepared

[Devonian]

I think Plymtom was simply inferring that you can "lawfully" use disproportionate force to protect yourself or your family from an intruder in your home.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/pros ... lders.html

[Briggs 2.0]

Those who plan on bugging out to whatever remote locations there may be in the UK, will look the same as the unprepared driving along the back roads to the locations they think will be their refuge. Preppers who live remotely will not welcome this steady stream of traffic into their own remote areas. From their perspective, you will be adding to the problems associated with surviving a SHTF scenario. Many remote preppers may drop trees or create other obstructions to block roads and route traffic away from their locations. Nothing personal, just a reasonable precaution by those who have established full time, remote living sites.

Very few of us plan on bugging out anywhere. An Englishman home is his castle or did you not know that?

Yes, English common law. Were it only still true and then you could defend it as such.

@Socal92057. Forgive me if I've misjudged but your comment makes me imagine you are one of those chaps with an arsenal of weapons including a semi-auto shotgun with several magazines full of OO buck leaning beside your front door. Am I right? Let me guess, it's a Saiga 12 with all the bolt on goodies.

As I understand it, the US gun laws are becoming more strict. California imposes a 10 round maximum and restriction on barrel length and barrel shrouds are prohibited plus many more new regulations which other states are considering. The word is, AK based weapons from Izsmash and Molot are now banned from import to the US. It seems your liberty and rights are being taken from you.

On the flip side, for responsible gun owners, the UK is relaxing our gun laws.

With regards to defending our property, Devonian had the link.

[SoCal92057]

@Socal92057. Forgive me if I've misjudged but your comment makes me imagine you are one of those chaps with an arsenal of weapons including a semi-auto shotgun with several magazines full of OO buck leaning beside your front door. Am I right? Let me guess, it's a Saiga 12 with all the bolt on goodies.[/quote]Briggs, it is well to think outside the box. It is called contingency planning and is what each of us should be doing as preppers. Each of us has our own situation and mine may be so very different from yours that you could scarcely imagine it. I live in deep woods down a long dirt road with all the beauty and dangers that are inherent to such a living situation. The authorities are far away. Also, in North America there are 4 legged animals that may weigh up to about 1,500 pounds and predators that are above the human on the food chain. As for add on goodies on any firearm, I find almost all of them a complete waste of money and carry weight. Either you know how to shoot or you do not. What do you have next to your door? Perhaps a stick? I assume it is not for self defense as that would be pre-meditated self defense and illegal.

[Briggs 2.0]

@Socal92057. Forgive me if I've misjudged but your comment makes me imagine you are one of those chaps with an arsenal of weapons including a semi-auto shotgun with several magazines full of OO buck leaning beside your front door. Am I right? Let me guess, it's a Saiga 12 with all the bolt on goodies.

Briggs, it is well to think outside the box. It is called contingency planning and is what each of us should be doing as preppers. Each of us has our own situation and mine may be so very different from yours that you could scarcely imagine it. I live in deep woods down a long dirt road with all the beauty and dangers that are inherent to such a living situation. The authorities are far away. Also, in North America there are 4 legged animals that may weigh up to about 1,500 pounds and predators that are above the human on the food chain. As for add on goodies on any firearm, I find almost all of them a complete waste of money and carry weight. Either you know how to shoot or you do not. What do you have next to your door? Perhaps a stick? I assume it is not for self defense as that would be pre-meditated self defense and illegal.[/quote]

You miss my point. Your gun laws are changing. Your liberties are changing. More and more US states are gradually moving to similar gun laws as the UK.

As for my front door, hmmm, it's probably not what you imagine. I live in the woods too.

[SoCal92057]

@Socal92057. Forgive me if I've misjudged but your comment makes me imagine you are one of those chaps with an arsenal of weapons including a semi-auto shotgun with several magazines full of OO buck leaning beside your front door. Am I right? Let me guess, it's a Saiga 12 with all the bolt on goodies.

Briggs, it is well to think outside the box. It is called contingency planning and is what each of us should be doing as preppers. Each of us has our own situation and mine may be so very different from yours that you could scarcely imagine it. I live in deep woods down a long dirt road with all the beauty and dangers that are inherent to such a living situation. The authorities are far away. Also, in North America there are 4 legged animals that may weigh up to about 1,500 pounds and predators that are above the human on the food chain. As for add on goodies on any firearm, I find almost all of them a complete waste of money and carry weight. Either you know how to shoot or you do not. What do you have next to your door? Perhaps a stick? I assume it is not for self defense as that would be pre-meditated self defense and illegal.

You miss my point. Your gun laws are changing. Your liberties are changing. More and more US states are gradually moving to similar gun laws as the UK.

As for my front door, hmmm, it's probably not what you imagine. I live in the woods too.[/quote]Briggs, you are completely unaware of the current state of American gun laws. The 2nd Amendment has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court to be an individual right to own firearms. Restrictions on the concealed carrying of firearms have been wiped out across the nation. Firearms sales are at an all time high. Firearms ranges are opening in more locations than ever before. Women are the new growth market in the ownership of firearms. Family involvement is a very popular recreational activity. The demand for ammunition is so high there are occasional shortages. Where I live there is no permit requirement for the purchase or sale of any firearms to anyone without a criminal record. Remember, freemen do not need to ask permission to own a firearm.

We have big, deep woods here in North America that go on for miles and miles and miles. There really is no comparison. If I was to take you and drop you off, without a firearm you would be food for a bear, mountain lion or wolf. Your stick would not be much help.

[jansman]

Please stop the Trans-Atlantic arguing. We KNOW that both nations have different laws. Given the name of this forum, let's keep it UK-centric.
Thankyou.

[SoCal92057]

Please stop the Trans-Atlantic arguing. We KNOW that both nations have different laws. Given the name of this forum, let's keep it UK-centric.
Thankyou.

Yes, the OP was. By the way, I think the discourse was far from arguing.

So now back to the OP. What is the best way for those who bug out to handle a situation where already established residents resent the additional burden that a BO person may bring?

[Plymtom]

In Britain the bug outers would be more like refugees, such is our land ownership etc, funnily enough it's happened on mass before... children were sent to live in less dangerous places during WW2, and blocked roads by the locals yes I can see they would perhaps want to do that, but we've seen that too in a small way all the time here on bank holidays, simply with uncontrolled traffic were everybody to decide to evacuate ( and let's face it there's more chance of that than everyone going on holiday at the same time) "bug out " if you like it would be chaos on the roads ( for that matter traffic jams are common events worldwide too are they not?) few people would get where they were intending to go.

To play the game though OP confronted with obstacles along their pre-determined bug out route, they would already be committed surely? Go Back, go around, go through, abandon vehicle and do the same things, bug out preppers, or the majority who think that way in the UK are in effect the unprepared, the only way to win at bugging out in the sense of scenarios related to the OP and in the UK is to have seen it coming down long enough in advance, and already be living at your BOL.

Another thought, the locals putting obstacles in the way could be considered in some ways a test of your being worthy of being allowed to join them, are you going to work the problem? scream for help?, give up and go home?, get too aggressive? plan to be an asset wherever you go (or stay).

[SoCal92057]

In Britain the bug outers would be more like refugees, such is our land ownership etc, funnily enough it's happened on mass before... children were sent to live in less dangerous places during WW2, and blocked roads by the locals yes I can see they would perhaps want to do that, but we've seen that too in a small way all the time here on bank holidays, simply with uncontrolled traffic were everybody to decide to evacuate ( and let's face it there's more chance of that than everyone going on holiday at the same time) "bug out " if you like it would be chaos on the roads ( for that matter traffic jams are common events worldwide too are they not?) few people would get where they were intending to go.

To play the game though OP confronted with obstacles along their pre-determined bug out route, they would already be committed surely? Go Back, go around, go through, abandon vehicle and do the same things, bug out preppers, or the majority who think that way in the UK are in effect the unprepared, the only way to win at bugging out in the sense of scenarios related to the OP and in the UK is to have seen it coming down long enough in advance, and already be living at your BOL.

Another thought, the locals putting obstacles in the way could be considered in some ways a test of your being worthy of being allowed to join them, are you going to work the problem? scream for help?, give up and go home?, get too aggressive? plan to be an asset wherever you go (or stay).

Yes, if you are viewed as an asset then you may be welcome. I think that having enough foodstuffs with you to sustain yourself would also be important. Personally, I am not inclined to bug out as I have spent years achieving the remote lifestyle that I live. For those who do BO, the problem is in getting the opportunity to establish your worth to the existing locals. Remember, the OP was in the context of a SHTF scenario.

[Hamradioop]

Socal, we are two countries divided by a common tongue. I will always wet myself laughtng when i hear references to a fanny pack rather than a butt pack.