Fallkniven F1 - UK carry?

[dangerman]

Statutes are something that I think should not be enforceable. At the moment, the law can change without notice and then the plod can immediately go around enforcing it. By policing themselves they put all the responsibility on the people to just know everything. Like when I first bought my other multi-tool. It has locking blades and I wandered around for months happily using it daily - later I found out that I was a criminal and should not have expected any compassion from the powers that be. Five years behind bars for me, should they they fancy it.

Legalese it an arse too - apparently, if a copper reads something to you or tells you something, and asks "Do you understand?" by saying yes you are agreeing to all the statutes that they enforce. By saying 'yes', you would be agreeing to 'stand under' the authority of the police and government. Even if the law is that you aren't allowed to be drunk in charge of a cow in Scotland. What if it's my cow on my land?!

I do not understand. But they will still mistreat and abuse me if they were to catch me violating one of their statutes.

[preparedsurrey]

As my mate (who has had considerable experience of staying at her majesty's pleasure) said to me if they want to do you for something then they will. Never admit or say anything other than your name as by opening your mouth you are doing their job for them its up to them to prove it.

[dangerman]

Exactly. And continuing from what I was saying before - Britain is a nanny state now. No choice or freedom, need to watch what you do, where you go, what time you go there, how loud you are, what you can carry, what you can say.

Should the government lose all of this iron fisted control in the UK life would be very similar to how it is in large parts of America. And before you say "Oooooh the shootings and the violence!", it's all media led crap. The British media are racist sausage jockeys. They have an agenda. The Americans have a big difference of opinion as to these matters compared most of us. Why? Because they're fed with their own coach load of propaganda - Republican or Liberal.

We live in, essentially, the 51st State of the USA and we're spoon fed their liberal propaganda. So check your stats, check your sources and think hard about it.

My opinions could be wrong, but I make sure that whatever opinion I have, it's mine and not one that has been brainwashed into me.

I don't want every fanny on the street carrying a gun or armed to the teeth with knives, but I also don't want to be made absolutely dependent on the government that run the land that I live in. There must be some middle ground somewhere.

[Devonian]

The problem is, that as long as there are incidents like this:

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Men ... story.html

The families of those affected will, as they are in this case, keep calling for stricter and stricter knife controls.

But the problem is, it's not the knife or axe that decided to strike the victims, it was the lunatics/yobs who were holding them in their hands. So rather than focusing on preventing law abiding people from carrying knives, they should be imposing and strictly enforcing harder sentences against those carrying out such crimes, as these are the sorts of people who do not give two hoots about what the law says regarding carrying a weapon or knife etc.

The families should therefore be campaigning for harsher sentences against those involved.

[dangerman]

That sort of thing will never stop. The media report it more and more in order to promote their stupid agendas.

But if there interest was to protect the people of the nation then they would be banning swimming pools because of the amount of drowning incidents last year, or reducing speed limits by even more miles an hour because of the consistent evidence accumulating showing how many could be saved by it.

But no - they're like a dog with a bone. All the media bang on about is knife crime, or the tiny amount of gun crime that actually happens in the UK. Oh, and occasionally angry dogs (which is a much much bigger issue from what I understand).

[ojiu0u4]

Taking things to the absurd, an infant with child cutlery in their pram is carrying a fixed blade knife in the vehicle. If I had a five inch fixed blade cutlery knife plus fork in my car to eat my lunch, is that a knife, what if it is a steak knife, or a Bush craft knife, is it about how pointy it is, Sharpe, long or fixed... what about the 10 blade scalpel in my car first aid kit.

or the brio in my car by the gear stick, or the tools in the car mechanic kit such as wrenches and screw drivers....

This all seems somewhat not thought out to much, given pretty much anything can be used as an offensive weapon if the human on the other end of it is so inclined, even a rolled up newspaper / magazine.

I appreciate the difficulty in legislating effectively against lunbag idiot humans, but bad legislation against objects seems a little backward and not big picture. But safety locking blade 3 inch folding being fixed versus non safety 3 inch folding is just dumb and asking for cut fingers.

[ojiu0u4]

duplicate post.

[ForgeCorvus]

Taking things to the absurd, an infant with child cutlery in their pram is carrying a fixed blade knife in the vehicle. If I had a five inch fixed blade cutlery knife plus fork in my car to eat my lunch, is that a knife, what if it is a steak knife, or a Bush craft knife, is it about how pointy it is, Sharpe, long or fixed... what about the 10 blade scalpel in my car first aid kit.

All of these could be covered by "Good Reason", assuming that they're carried for something other then just to have them

or the brio in my car by the gear stick, or the tools in the car mechanic kit such as wrenches and screw drivers....

All fine (probably)..... Unless you intend (or more likely, are "Proven" to intend to use them as weapons)

This all seems somewhat not thought out to much, given pretty much anything can be used as an offensive weapon if the human on the other end of it is so inclined, even a rolled up newspaper / magazine.

As I mentioned in another thread, Gussy's Law (Anything is a weapon. Everything is a target)

I appreciate the difficulty in legislating effectively against lunbag idiot humans, but bad legislation against objects seems a little backward and not big picture. But safety locking blade 3 inch folding being fixed versus non safety 3 inch folding is just dumb and asking for cut fingers.

Preaching to the choir here mate....... Don't get me started on 'Samurai swords' and how they are defined in law

[featherstick]

It depends on context and good reason, on situation and the experience of the copper talking to you.

Carry a Stanley knife in a tool box in the back of the car, and show a copper you know how to use the tools and you'll be fine. Carry it down the pub or to the football match and you'll get nicked and rightly so.

[dangerman]

This is my problem - my good reason is that I might need it. There are any number of things that a knife is useful for and I would like to have one with me pretty much all the time.

I have good reason, but the 'discretion' that the police and authorities have may or may not agree. The only way to find out is to wait to be quizzed and potentially arrested to find out. This kind of restriction on my freedom is not what I pay taxes for.