Home invasion

[Deep Thinker]

Alarms are good just need to watch the quality ,have to say the door bars give a lot of strength .I have the dog which is always a bonus.like folk say hope it never happens.

[Jamesey1981]

It's worth noting for self defence purposes that law in the UK you are allowed to use 'reasonable force' when defending yourself, someone or property.

It has to be proportionate and justified force. In court of law it would be down to you to have to justify your use of force and your rationale for using it.

You can research self defence under Criminal Law Act 1967 on the Internet.

That's not entirely accurate any more, still applies outside your home in the way it always has, and it's not much different, but the law changed recently in that the courts shall regard the force you use while defending yourself or others, (not property) within your home as reasonable unless it is found to be "grossly disproportionate", as long as the force used was reasonable in the circumstances as you believed them to be, (for example, you thought they had a weapon and they didn't) you'd still end up in court if the police feel the force you used is disproportionate, which is obviously something to be avoided, but we all have a little more legal protection than we used to. It's pretty much just changing the letter of the law to match the spirit of the original, as there have been a few cases of homeowners defending themselves that have been prosecuted but really shouldn't have been in the circumstances.

It's obviously not free reign to shoot anyone that breaks into your house without question, but it does provide a little more leeway for decisions made in the heat of the moment in a frightening and stressful situation that in the cold light of day turn out to be wrong ones.

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

I'll link the page here, this is a document from just before the law was enacted, but the relevant sections are easier to find than the full text of the act in question, but it was enacted as written here, I would suggest reading the relevant sections and looking up the full text rather than taking what I have said at face value, as I'm not qualified to offer legal advice!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... rcular.pdf

[i11matic1795]

There's been a lot of attempted break ins and people snooping around my area recently because of the floods, personally we've had people in our garden, as well as both next door neighbours, one who's door has been attempted to be forced open. The worst part was there's some private security firm supposedly helping out in the area, but they were seen shining their torch into one of the few occupied houses the other day.
It;s a worrying time here, and I can see how in SHTF films/stories things go crazy so fast, there are very few burglaries near me and recently there must have been ten attempts and numerous successful.

[piglet]

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

Just to clarify for me please

Is the "back garden" an innuendo?
Just for future reference. At what point exactly was it deemed too far?
And would it have been as quite as bad if he had filled the pit in afterwards?

It sounds like, just another day in my Trailerhood.

[Jamesey1981]

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

Just to clarify for me please

Is the "back garden" an innuendo?
Just for future reference. At what point exactly was it deemed too far?
And would it have been as quite as bad if he had filled the pit in afterwards?

It sounds like, just another day in my Trailerhood.

Couldn't tell you, maybe filling the pit in could be justified as putting out the fire, so there's that to think of, but like I said, I'm not qualified to provide legal advice so exactly where he went wrong I'll have to leave to the professionals.

[sniper 55]

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

Just to clarify for me please

Is the "back garden" an innuendo?
Just for future reference. At what point exactly was it deemed too far?
And would it have been as quite as bad if he had filled the pit in afterwards?

It sounds like, just another day in my Trailerhood.

Couldn't tell you, maybe filling the pit in could be justified as putting out the fire, so there's that to think of, but like I said, I'm not qualified to provide legal advice so exactly where he went wrong I'll have to leave to the professionals.

Oh yes, you can't just leave it burning, it might set fire to something....

[junmist]

To help with deterring the undesirables you could try gravel paths leading up to the house and outside the windows, outside lights on sensors. As for the premature of the garden you can try several things depending on the type of fencing you have if you have hedge rambling roses growing through it or other prickly plants. For sold fencing you can put a light trellis up so that it makes the fence higher but will not support weight, again prickly plants growing against the fence also deters them. Also contact your local neighbourhood police officer and ask for a home security check and they will go round your home and tell you places that might need reinforcing.

[yorkshirewolf]

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

I'd be more worried about the council or environmental health coming 'round and whacking me with a fine!

Then again, they'd probably have less concern for a burning corpse and more for whether the fire was giving off black smoke and whether i had filled in the correct forms for digging a hole...

[notadog]

Don't leave your keys in the door at night / when you are home! A friend of ours was a victim of a violent home invasion last year. The intruders put a concrete block through the glass of the UPVC back door and then leant in and opened the door with the key, which was in the lock. Despite the alarm being set off, they stayed for 10 minutes to ransack the place. The police said, if the key had not been left in the door, they wouldn't have been able to get in...

[sniper 55]

In one document the example they used to describe what would constitute grossly disproportionate force was when a home owner found out a burglar was coming, walloped him with a shovel in the back garden, tied him up, then threw him in a pit and set fire to him, and I think we can all agree that that's going rather too far, no matter how much a person may deserve it.

I'd be more worried about the council or environmental health coming 'round and whacking me with a fine!

Then again, they'd probably have less concern for a burning corpse and more for whether the fire was giving off black smoke and whether i had filled in the correct forms for digging a hole...

You could always say he was a very poor underground fire eater......