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Frnc
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axelt123 wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2025 3:44 pm When I said ‘less publicly broadcast’ I wasn’t talking about secret information , more the kind of low-key developments you don’t usually see headlined. Some of what I’ve heard is additionally from conversations with people in the civils industry, talks of big contracts, spending on bases, and supply infrastructure so I can’t claim all of it as fact.

That said, when you look around there are clear signs that back the general trend:
• The EU has been pushing major investment into defence industry capacity, including new factories and supply infrastructure.
• France recently raised €5 billion to boost its defence sector, while Greece has a €25 billion modernisation plan running through 2036.
• Germany’s Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems has seen its order backlog triple, and Switzerland just signed new multi-million-franc deals for drone defence systems.
• Meanwhile, the latest UK security and defence review notably avoided mention of measures like conscription, even as some other European countries have begun opening up those discussions.
• On a wider societal level, I sometimes wonder whether the scale of recent immigration ties in here too, not in a conspiratorial sense, but possibly as a way of offsetting population decline or ensuring there’s labour available if economies ever had to switch into a more wartime footing.
• Looking ahead, the steady rollout of digital ID systems makes me think they could one day be dual-use tools not just for streamlining services, but potentially for things like rationing or even conscription if circumstances demanded it.
• And beyond the military build-up itself, a more realistic threat now isn’t a Blitz-style bombing campaign, but disruption through cyber warfare. The loss of essential services, power, hospitals, or even water supply could create chaos without a single bomb being dropped, and in some ways feels more likely than the destruction picture from the Second World War.

None of this is hidden, it just doesn’t make front-page news. Put together, it paints a picture of governments quietly but steadily pumping money into military and supply chains which to me is a sign it’s sensible to step prepping up a gear and hope for the best.

Hopefully that makes sense 🤣
Interesting. Cyber attacks is definitely one to worry about, and in fact they occur very often. Digital IDs are another concern.

I'm not sure if Europe is getting more militarised, or if it's just talk by politicians. Something to keep an eye on. Obviously Russia invading Ukraine is a concern, especially for countries closer to there.

Immigration as you say is probably partly to offset low birth rates and an ageing population. It shifts the demographic to a younger population, and increases the number of tax payers, so state pensions can be paid.
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Certainly is interesting. I can share the concern about the cyber attacks or at least the lack of decent back up. I really don't understand why JLR was closed down for such a long time following a cyber attack , surely there must be a work around? There does seem to be at least a slight increase in european military but not to the extent that we are preparing for an imminent conflict , it all seems to be slowly ramping up although even that has parallels with the 1930's.
Digital ID's I'm really in two minds about. In essence I'm not too bothered about them , the civil liberties are over played and the claim that they will impact the black economy and illegal immigration is clearly twaddle. One thing that I find very amusing are posts on facebook by friends who were and still are very pro EU condemning the ID's even though every other EU country except Ireland has them and are now protesting the very idea. And I say that as a sort of natural left wing voter. Interesting how people from all aspects of the political spectrum are against the ID's.
With regards to immigration I do tend to feel present levels are and have been unsustainable for some time now and over population is an issue glossed over by pretty much all and at worst is looked at as racist by some. I understand the argument about an aging population and the need for workers to help pay for pensions. That argument has been going on for some time and a lot of the aging population were working immigrants in their time and those coming in will reach retirement age at some point and we'll need ever more replacements if we carry on in the same manner. Part of the issue is politicians slavish following of the idea of perpetual growth.
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Preppers need to keep an eye on civil liberties. Liberty's X handle is @libertyhq. 11 years ago, Home Sec was going on free Palestine demos, and speaking at them (on stage). Today she is restricting them.
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"Preppers need to keep an eye on civil liberties" , is that perhaps because at least some of our activities could be viewed as antisocial ? Such as what we call food preps some see as hoarding while others go hungry. I'm not condemning what we do and I'm not about to start saying we should be handing out our tins but a certain level of secrecy is a part of our lives secrecy that would be critised if it is practised by government or corperations. To be honest I'm more concerned with the cards being one small step towards the cashless society rsther than it impacting my right to complain about one foreigner killing another
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grenfell wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 5:42 pm "Preppers need to keep an eye on civil liberties" , is that perhaps because at least some of our activities could be viewed as antisocial ? Such as what we call food preps some see as hoarding while others go hungry. I'm not condemning what we do and I'm not about to start saying we should be handing out our tins but a certain level of secrecy is a part of our lives secrecy that would be critised if it is practised by government or corperations. To be honest I'm more concerned with the cards being one small step towards the cashless society rsther than it impacting my right to complain about one foreigner killing another
Well, that was just an example, from the last couple of days. You could start by reading Liberty's tweets if you want to know more.

The world has changed loads in the last few decades, so it's not going to stay as it is. How it has changed so far indicates how it could change in the future. In the period 1945-1979, Britain was a social democracy. After 1980 the UK shifted to neoliberalism. So what comes next? I asked ChatGPT. I won't post the whole answer, just the headings and one or two bits of detail
Destination 1: Authoritarian Neoliberalism
this is not full-blown fascism but a “managed democracy” — elections still occur, but power is increasingly unaccountable and unresponsive.
Destination 2: Soft Nationalism + Nativist Welfare
Destination 3: Corporate-State Merger
Oligarchic governance, democratic in name only

I accidentally deleted the page before I could copy anything extra for 2, but it said something about populism and risk of authoritarianism.

Try asking GPT more, eg what happens when corporations and the state merge, and you'll get some fascinating reading.
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I might start a new thread with this but another alternative is eco civilisation,
Here's a link
https://www.ecocivilisation-diaries.net/
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NB all three scenarios envisaged by GPT are authoritarian. Not great.
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But not necessarily totally bad. That is if we were to get a decent authoritarian system . Take the issue of climate change for instance , a sort of green authoritarian government could implement the polices that would have some real effect rather than what we have now where politicians are chasing votes and in full knowledge that people aren't going to vote for something that might impact what they feel is the quality of life , things such as less flying for instance. I don't really hold out much hope that we'll get anything like that pre collapse and doubt we'd be in any better shape post collapse.
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Reply posted on eco-civilisation thread.