Maglite accessories

[Chef]

I think most urban explorers are even more below the radar than preppers purely because everytime we 'visit' a site we are trespassing which is not a criminal offence but a civil one and then it's almost unheard of for a landowner to take anyone to court as long as no damage is caused.

Unfortunately on odd occasions the pseudo law enforcement guys aka security guards immediately call for their professional bretheren who actually still can't do anything except 'ask' you to leave as it's not a criminal offence.

As long as you agree to leave peacefully and haven't broken into the place they just send you on your way with a laugh or snigger normally.

I have no doubt that carrying a 100m coil of 10mm climbing rope and a harness will soon come under this INTENDED bull****, the sooner I can escape this country the better... Before we became the USA's pet and the laughing stock of Europe I used to love my country with a passion.

Can't carry a 6 cell torch that's just..... &*%£$%%^!

Ah well forget the side handle and the end cap I'm sure that will be re-classified, just get a better bulb.

C

[the-gnole]

Unfortunately on odd occasions the pseudo law enforcement guys aka security guards immediately call for their professional bretheren who actually still can't do anything except 'ask' you to leave as it's not a criminal offence.

That would only be true with the "Trespass" aspect though surely, if they find that you are "in the eyes of the law" carrying an illegally adapted piece of equipment, then surely it then moves to a criminal offence rather than the lesser Civil offence.

[Chef]

I'm really not sure if Gaz ever got stopped with his mag or not, he's been with us on odd occasions and not been pulled for it and he's never mentioned it as a problem since, the others with 4 or 6 cell Mags have never had a problem that I'm aware of either which is why I wonder if that's a new 'law' or not.

I've got smaller CREEs with a vicious front bezel as most of them have, which are just the right length for a kubotan, I mean they're not called tactical torches because they solve military problems lol yet those it would appear even though, because of their size, they are primarily 'hidden' are fine?

Makes you wonder how mountaineers fare, I mean ice axes, pitons, crampons...?

C

[the-gnole]

I guess that they are going out on legitimate hobbies, where as, from what you described earlier "urban explorers" are going out with the intent to break civil law, big difference there I think.

I had friends a lot of years ago who were members of the "Hang 'em high club", they used to liberate flags off roof tops and move them to other roof tops, such as Lloyds bank flag re-appeared on the Shire hall, both events required trespass with intent to remove property, got into the local press, but they were never caught.

[Chef]

ROTFLMAO that's classic!

There are actually alot of organisations who applaud what we do by bringing the demolition of listed buildings to the attention of the public no matter how small a cross section ever read of our exploits, we have saved tunnels and caves, got bat preservation orders put into place, we're just all round good guys in a trespassing, odd fringe group kinda way!

I'm proud that I have pictures of beautiful buildings and architectural masterpieces that will never be seen again, and as soon as I get my lappy back from the b******s in blue I'll be happy to post some up.

C

[the-gnole]

Ways and means though Chef, if you are just there for the good then do it, but why risk getting a record for possession when all you are after is protection or record of history, architecture and the like.

Trespass usually needs to be accompanied by other non-civil offences to make something of it, aggravated trespass, causing damage, carrying an offensive weapon etc etc.

[Chef]

I see what you're saying but getting back to the actual point, we DON'T carry 'offensive or indeed defensive' weapons, we carry torches for dark places, it's their interpretation of what we do with those 'tools' that is the problem.

I haven't been for a while now but when I do next go exploring somewhere that is dark or underground, I will be taking my full compliment of torches, batteries, cameras, tripods, ropes, etc., and sod em. 'The law' Mr Gnole my good sir, 'is a ass, a idiot!'

C

[Grunter]

Unfortunately on odd occasions the pseudo law enforcement guys aka security guards immediately call for their professional bretheren who actually still can't do anything except 'ask' you to leave as it's not a criminal offence.

Chef,
Just be careful,if you've climbed over a secure fence/wall there is the offence of "found on enclosed premises" which covers the yards etc . There is a good chance of being arrested on susp of burglary if found in buildings (air raid shelter) where you shouldnt be then charged with the lesser offence.
Just some friendly info....

[Chef]

Never have these probs when we go to Scotland, no trespass law there as such, you have the right to roam, it's a wonderful place.

C

[Attack Warning Red]

Chef - what is this local big air raid shelter you speak of?... It's not one of the London deep level shelters is it?