What are we prepping for?

[pigeonsniper]

Oh yea, forgot about him

So, coming back to the real world in the UK

When was the last time we had hyper inflation in the UK?

When was the last time there were house to house raiding parties due to hunger?

When was the last time there was no more food available?

Yes we will face fuel shortages in the future, yes we may face a pandemic like in the early part of the 20th Century, but when was the last time we had a world without rule of law.

There are thousands or possibly millions of possibles out there, but a lot less probables in the UK.

Ask the Greeks, the Spanish and the Portuguese how things are currently working out for them? The Italians are not far behind either. I'm not sure why people think we're so immune from it all, our deficit is huge and getting bigger. Civil unrest is a very distinct possibility that it would very naive to ignore. It's not like we have a huge Police force anymore either. Of course if you want to take the view that "it'll never happen to us" that's entirely your call. Personally I don't see it quite like that, and for very valid reasons.

[12mp82]

Change of tack there I believe.

Yes we could end up going the way of Europe, but only if we buckle and not see the necessary changes through to the other end.

Civil order will be dealt with a lot quicker and easier than you may think, after that bit of a kick off a while back the rules of engagement were changed, and if you look back in our near and distant history you might see that those who thought they could run amok were brought to heel with, shall we say traditional methods.

A lot of things might, but more often than not they don't, I do look at events around, that is why I am here, to learn to prepare, not to necessarily look at the possibles, but the probables, and I don't see the UK diving down into the cess pool that others seem to think it will, or maybe wish it will, but my preps are sufficient to get me through a lot of it without having to resort to taking up arms against any of the locals.

Personally I don't see it quite like that, and for very valid reasons.

And no doubt you will be keeping these valid reasons to yourself rather than enlightening all the rest of us.

[pigeonsniper]

Change of tack there I believe.

Yes we could end up going the way of Europe, but only if we buckle and not see the necessary changes through to the other end.

Civil order will be dealt with a lot quicker and easier than you may think, after that bit of a kick off a while back the rules of engagement were changed, and if you look back in our near and distant history you might see that those who thought they could run amok were brought to heel with, shall we say traditional methods.

A lot of things might, but more often than not they don't, I do look at events around, that is why I am here, to learn to prepare, not to necessarily look at the possibles, but the probables, and I don't see the UK diving down into the cess pool that others seem to think it will, or maybe wish it will, but my preps are sufficient to get me through a lot of it without having to resort to taking up arms against any of the locals.

Personally I don't see it quite like that, and for very valid reasons.

And no doubt you will be keeping these valid reasons to yourself rather than enlightening all the rest of us.

No change of tack and I have no idea where you're coming from on that. I'm totally consistent on this and here are the valid reasons:

1, We are only 72 hrs from anarchy at any time. It doesn't take long for supermarket shelves or fuel pumps to empty. Most people are not well prepared for this.

2, Our Police force could not cope with an outbreak of unrest in multiple locations i.e. multiple cities across the country.

3, The military are already over stretched and morale is poor, I know, Im part of it. I very much doubt that there would be the will or the ability to get heavy handed with our population. Not only that but our capability is being reduced all the time.

4, There is no coherent plan to reduce the deficit except heavy cuts. Other countries who are already experiencing this to a greater extent are already experiencing social unrest. Either way the deficit is not being reduced, the debt is growing which will lead to more unemployment and cuts.

5, Complacency - "It'll never happen to us".

6, Immigration - this is putting more pressure on an already over-burdened state and welfare system, as well as housing.

Those are just a few reasons why I prep for civil/social unrest. I really do hope I'm wrong but if I'm not then I'll be as ready as I can be, that's what prepping is all about for me. There doesn't have to be a precedent for it to be a valid concern, nobody expected a Polish union rep to precipitate the fall of the Soviet Union but it happened. People would have laughed at the thought of a black president in the USA only 20 years ago, but there you go, expect the unexpected.

[12mp82]

You raise some interesting points, but I won't bother going through them as I have been reading the same points over and over again for many years now.

The deficit is being reduced bit by bit, do you remember the little note left for the current government by the out going one?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... -successor

The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Byrne's note was discovered by David Laws, the Liberal Democrat MP who was appointed by the coalition government to succeed Byrne as No 2 at the Treasury.

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. But Byrne's note – which he later said was intended as a private joke – drew attention to Labour's economic record when it was revealed by Laws at a press conference today.

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

Maybe if we all do our bit then we won't end up like the rest Europe, But I doubt it will happen because the culture we seem to have bred into some people today.

So, back to prepping UK Preppers style

Which is not the place for so many of this type of discussion, but you could try http://forum.survivaluk.net/ where I am sure you will be more than welcome

[nickdutch]

I am preparing for things that have happened to me and still happen. Periods without money, powercuts and the like.

The other issue is that fuel for heating, cooking and the like is going to get really pricey in the future, and possibly erratic in its delivery IMHO, so learning how to steadily become less grid reliant or to find substitute ways to cook food (some of which wont necessarily be cheaper, but might be more reliable) seems like a must. Heating the place 24 / 7 in the winter is going to be a challenge taking into account the setup that I have here, but alcohol (made so that it is chemically safe to burn indoors) is a good short term solution to take the edge off.

I think this is the third month that my pay from my American agency has been delayed, and so I have to think about doing more off grid stuff to cut down the quantity of money that is being taken out of the meter so that it can stretch a little longer. Not necessarily a total SHTF situation, but it sure is good to help me to think about those possibilities.

There may be more fuel crisis issue in the future, that might make life harder, so kelley kettles and other fun toys may come into their own. I got more toys to get, I got more food to stock up on, so everyone pray that biiiig crisis situations don't happen just yet

[pigeonsniper]

You raise some interesting points, but I won't bother going through them as I have been reading the same points over and over again for many years now.

The deficit is being reduced bit by bit, do you remember the little note left for the current government by the out going one?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... -successor

The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Byrne's note was discovered by David Laws, the Liberal Democrat MP who was appointed by the coalition government to succeed Byrne as No 2 at the Treasury.

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. But Byrne's note – which he later said was intended as a private joke – drew attention to Labour's economic record when it was revealed by Laws at a press conference today.

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

Maybe if we all do our bit then we won't end up like the rest Europe, But I doubt it will happen because the culture we seem to have bred into some people today.

So, back to prepping UK Preppers style

Which is not the place for so many of this type of discussion, but you could try http://forum.survivaluk.net/ where I am sure you will be more than welcome

I'm not sure how you answer the question "What are we prepping for" without talking about a number of controversial (to some) subjects but don't worry, I'll avoid any meaningful debate.

[itsybitsy]

You raise some interesting points, but I won't bother going through them as I have been reading the same points over and over again for many years now.

The deficit is being reduced bit by bit, do you remember the little note left for the current government by the out going one?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... -successor

The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Byrne's note was discovered by David Laws, the Liberal Democrat MP who was appointed by the coalition government to succeed Byrne as No 2 at the Treasury.

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. But Byrne's note – which he later said was intended as a private joke – drew attention to Labour's economic record when it was revealed by Laws at a press conference today.

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

Maybe if we all do our bit then we won't end up like the rest Europe, But I doubt it will happen because the culture we seem to have bred into some people today.

So, back to prepping UK Preppers style

Which is not the place for so many of this type of discussion, but you could try http://forum.survivaluk.net/ where I am sure you will be more than welcome

Pack it in. This is your second warning. There won't be another.

[24942895]

I should have seen that this could get 'warmed', part of my observations of 'Doomsday Preppers' was that the people there each had a singular thing they were prepping against, so if you put them together they would probably argue all day about which event is most likely or most important to prep against. One of my personal motivations is a civil war I've seen up-close, and also general infrastructure delays/issues due to weather or similar temporary domestic issues.

(by the way, I can't seem to reply to a private message I've received, is this a newbie thing? I couldn't find any information about the restriction)

[pseudonym]

(by the way, I can't seem to reply to a private message I've received, is this a newbie thing? I couldn't find any information about the restriction)

Yep, one post to go for your minimum 10 post requirement, then you should be OK.

[24942895]

(by the way, I can't seem to reply to a private message I've received, is this a newbie thing? I couldn't find any information about the restriction)

Yep, one post to go for your minimum 10 post requirement, then you should be OK.

just one post you say, no problem then