Bugging Out ?

[luxor]

Well thats quite interesting in itself. How did you come to the conclusion that these people were the 'ones'? What criteria did you use if any and what skill or ability do they bring to the table that makes them a good fit for you??

we met them on a camp site,
we got talking like you do,
a few drinks and a good long chat later,
we seemed to get on alright so swopped phone numbers as they seemed a nice couple.
we met up a few more times for drinks and a couple of meals.
after a few meet ups the Conversation turned to what if something were to happen and both of our plans, and we went from there.

Yeah!! C'mon fess up!!!!

go on then teedee, yours is?

so now you nosey lot have teased out my plans.

its back to the question i asked

A single person or small group will at some point need to hook up with others if not out of necessity then loneliness. Not to say that running to the hills is a bad idea as its only us types that would stand half a chance of surviving.

taking this one step futher,
the dark clouds are gathering and you hear of a group looking for new members.
what skills could you bring to the group if you were invited to apply to join

another good question is, how many people do you feel is enough, too many you will struggle to feed yourselves, not enough and your struggle to cover all the tasks

[TeeDee]

go on then teedee, yours is?

Ok fair enough , Quid pro quo and all of that.

If a singular large event happens I will be making my way to a secluded yet local airfield where a Lear Jet will be waiting to taxi under cover of darkness, aboard will be my good friends and comrades Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore , we will then travel at warp speed 4 and 3/4 to a fortified and heavily armed and provisioned bunker somewhere in the Atlantic where we will spend the next months watching the old copies of 'Moon lighting' whilst laughing at Bruce Willis and Cybil Shepherd.



< Yours weren't very detailed Luxor , so mine are also vague >

[Carrot Cruncher]

taking this one step futher,
the dark clouds are gathering and you hear of a group looking for new members.
what skills could you bring to the group if you were invited to apply to join

I am in two minds about groups. I fully understand the advantages that being in a group can bring even if it is just 2 families, but it is not that easy. You need people that you know well enough to know you can work with them in a group structure under pressure, you need to be able to trust them 100%, and they need to live near enough to realistically meet up.

Unfortunately imo the prepping/survival world attracts way more than its fair share of nutters and fruitcakes for some weird reason so before I was comfortable enough to put firm plans in place I would need to know them very well beforehand (no sniggering at the back ) I wouldn't divulge too many details of what I can bring (or not) to the table to people I just chat to online or met once for a pint etc.

So to summarise the above waffle...I like the idea of a pre-arranged group with a large skill base but don't hold out much hope of joining one in reality

Numbers is difficult and would to a large extent depend on where and what your location is

[luxor]

Ok fair enough , Quid pro quo and all of that.

If a singular large event happens I will be making my way to a secluded yet local airfield where a Lear Jet will be waiting to taxi under cover of darkness, aboard will be my good friends and comrades Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore , we will then travel at warp speed 4 and 3/4 to a fortified and heavily armed and provisioned bunker somewhere in the Atlantic where we will spend the next months watching the old copies of 'Moon lighting' whilst laughing at Bruce Willis and Cybil Shepherd.


Yours weren't very detailed Luxor , so mine are also vague

its an open forum, so its going to stay that way for people i haven't met and trust.
or do you think im stupid enough to give every tom dick and harry somewhere to come raiding my stash of 20 tins of baked beans.

yours on the other hand is just an i wish plan,
or are you trying to find out other preppers plans and sites so you can raid theirs while your keeping yours close to your chest.?
as you said, Quid pro quo and all of that.

[luxor]

Yours weren't very detailed Luxor , so mine are also vague

i mean no offence teedee, so i hope you dont take it as such.

i dont know you, and you have been a member here for only 20 days.
if eotwawki happens ill sleep better knowing that only people who i know and trust knows where i have bugged out to.
did you really expect a more detailed answer?

[silverfox]

somewhere to come raiding my stash of 20 tins of baked beans.

yours on the other hand is just an i wish plan,
or are you trying to find out other preppers plans and sites so you can raid theirs

Raiders welcome Their just away of testing other skills

Already in place : Guard Dogs, Tripwires (12g Alarm mines), Motion activated lights and cameras, 24 Security Patrols

[diamond lil]

I think people's private business is people's own business . And I wouldn't trust any group on earth, apart from my close family.
Ok so I'm a psychopath. I dont mind!

[TeeDee]

Yours weren't very detailed Luxor , so mine are also vague

i mean no offence teedee, so i hope you dont take it as such.

i dont know you, and you have been a member here for only 20 days.
if eotwawki happens ill sleep better knowing that only people who i know and trust knows where i have bugged out to.
did you really expect a more detailed answer?

No offence taking , I had to pop out so don't take my lack of immediate response as any sort of emotional teddy bear throwing...

Ok , happy to expand on my theory ,firstly Prepping isn't the be all and end all of my life , if I became paranoid to spend every waking minute contemplating it or putting funds into it soley as an adjunct to 'normal' life I would throw some decent wedge at a head doctor.

To me prepping dove tails into my life nicely with some other things I do and where I want to be in the future ( self sufficient as possible ) , I pity the people and familys of people that feel that prepping is all about wearing camo and stockpiling more tins than lidls , I think that is a sad hollow existence.

So to me Prepping is something I throw some time and energy into but with BOTH feet in the REAL world , maybe I'm a prepper - lite ? I don't know , I like the HFW / Good life with guns approach to prepping , I don't like the prepping where someone is wondering how best to store the 5 dozen boxes of toilet paper around the house and is generally paranoid enough on a day-to-day basis that they can't assimilate or blend into real life. I think these people will funnily find it as hard to survive after a possible Post-x Event because they lack social skills to become part of a 'normal' group.

Sorry , I just don't think most Male preppers play well with others , we all tend to want to be chief and not the lowly Indian, I think female preppers tend to fare far better , they ( and i appreciate I'm sterotyping ) tend to work and communicate better as group workers , I still think they need assistance from men , but overall I'm pleasently surprised how many UK preppers are ( or at least tell me on a forum they are.... ) female , hopefully the days of the 80's rogue male camo wearing sad survivalist are ending and prepping and self reliance is more main stream.

I also understand that most preppers agree that in a post x scenario community will be important if not critical , lone wolf male ( yes , the irony ..) will not survive well. So even that most of us think community will be important , many preppers are also closet paranoids that don't want to put faces to names or meet up. Now call me mad , but if the highly improbable rogue global epidemic does wipe out a large percentage of the population and a few of us get though unscathed then it would be nice to have a ready made community that could work together 'off the shelve' but that 'tis but a dream.....

So, a little digression there Anyway , enough ramblings , back to BOLS.

I find a single BOL a laughable notion , it works on the assumption that you are predicting an event that still allows you to make your way to YOUR BOL and assumes it is still the best place to be. No plan is crystal , or at least not for long , a plan should be fluid because most plans will not survive. So to me , a BOL simply means a POSSIBLE location that I have scouted before , one of many locations in my area that I feel I could reach in varying degree's of the compass. The locations I have looked at and whittled down would provide me the best range of resources under multiple needs and give me the best chance.

I would never invest a massive amount of time , energy , provisons or resources into setting up a SINGLE BOL because it makes a massive assumption all your plans will go according to plan.
I'm a firm believer of Survive , Adapt(ion) , Overcome , so whilst I place effort and money into some preps I place more time and energy into ME , skills , knowledge , abilities and experience.
I don't feel the need to head for a single BOL because I hope I can do the best with where I find myself.

I hope that answers some questions for you. I just find the notion of sitting on 4 years worth of corned beef and carrots a little sad. Prepping to me should be about enrichment and empowerment not blanket stacking and stockpiling.


imo

[luxor]

ditto on almost everything you posted there.

with only a few exceptions imo.
but we can agree to disagree on those.

[itsybitsy]

somewhere to come raiding my stash of 20 tins of baked beans.

yours on the other hand is just an i wish plan,
or are you trying to find out other preppers plans and sites so you can raid theirs

Raiders welcome Their just away of testing other skills

Already in place : Guard Dogs, Tripwires (12g Alarm mines), Motion activated lights and cameras, 24 Security Patrols

I am curious as to why you have tripwires around your property? Do you live in a particularly bad area?