Untreatable TB

[Panther]

You Sir, are an idiot!

Qr

And You Sir, are rude!

Whilst we may not agree with what someone else says we should nevertheless remain polite and courteous.

[Quercus-robur]

You Sir, are an idiot!

Qr

And You Sir, are rude!

Whilst we may not agree with what someone else says we should nevertheless remain polite and courteous.

Perhaps that was a little strong. I will take it back. I will, however, maintain everything else including the observation that his comments seemed arrogant and childish. I welcome debate and there have been some good debates on this forum. Rik_uk3's comments, however, were closed and defensive, blocking further scrutiny and debate.

Qr

[rik_uk3]

Only just saw your arrogant, rude and churlish reply. I'll refrain from commenting until the season of good will is over. I've bookmarked this page:) Merry xmas.

[DundeePrepper]

More than twenty years ago, my lil bro missed his BCG (TB vaccination) at school. My Mum had a right set to with the doctor to get him to give the vaccine - he reckoned it wasn't required! At that time, Mum quoted stats from my cousin, who was bank nursing in a chest clinic in a big hospital in the midlands. TB numbers were going through the roof, partly because of people bringing it into the country and partly because of doctors who thought it wasn't necessary.

Vaccinations and innoculations only provide 'herd immunity' if over 90% of the population has them. Whilst I wouldn't advocate forcing folks to vaccinate if they really feel strongly about it, I do feel that there's been a major government cock up over the stigma of vaccines alleged to cause autism. It was only the combined MMR vaccine that was implicated, so they could have been offered seperately. Sadly, the government dug its heels in, sacrificing herd immunity to a determination to have the population toe the line. Idiots.

If it was up to me, I'd make the following conditions of entry into this country;

1) Up to date, valid health insurance

2) No communicable diseases

If you don't meet the criteria, you don't enter, you don't even leave the airport - you're on the next plane back home, no appeal, no debate, no messing about.

And I'd make the following exit conditions for nationals;

1) All vaccinations and innoculations must be up to date

2) If you're travelling to an area with a high incidence of a communicable disease, then if possible, you will be innoculated against that disease. And if you can't be, you'll spend an appropriate amount of time in quarantine when you return. At your own expense.

And if that doesn't suit, don't travel.

I realise it sounds harsh, but, given some of the really nasty stuff out there these days, it could be the difference between a mild outbreak and a pandemic. And it would stop NHS tourism, which is far more of a problem than is generally known.

You've got my vote on this.. I would say the majority would agree... If not.. Why not?

[ibcsweb]

Cheers Redskies but I have absolutely no faith in 99.99% of herbal remedies. Must be the nurse in me but I prefer proven medicine. I've nurse people who relied on herbal remedies and left it too late before seeking help.

I'd try them as an absolute last resort.

A huge amount of western medicine comes from plants.
Willow bark tea. I have personal experience of that working and no placebo effect in the world would have eased that particular tooth ache!

That is proven effective as a pain killer and to reduce fever.

I feel it may be a little close minded to tar all herbal remidies with the same brush.

I do agree that there is a placebo effect with many herbal medicines but the fact remains that some DO work when the condition is properly diagnosed adn teh medicine prepared and administered appropriatley.