lonewolf wrote:may be ok for some one in a big city but I would think a stab proof vest would be better.
I agree with stabproof, but still there are more important things to focus on. it just looks like thread for dreamers - I bet guy is seeking for some firearms as well to topup the vest
as and advice for all preppers who dream of shtf scenario. try to shit few days in a row outside, in a rain, in snow or wind, and then you'll see if it is cool, try to live a week on just one crappy meal a day, try to sleep outside (I slept outside during summer in just sleeping bag on mattress and trust me it is cold and had to sleep in winter coat and woolly hat), or maybe just ask homeless guy what's it like and he'll tell you its not cool. a lot of people think it would be a great adventure and theirs prepping is rather a hobby and dreaming of adventure. personally I hope there won't be shtf situation in my life and prepare rather for short periods with lack of food/services.
as about bugging out - sorry guys but a trip to auntie who lives in next town is not bugging out but paying a visit and this country is too small to bug out to nature. it is not Russia or US/Canada that you can go into mountains or forests and stay unnoticed for years. whereever you go there will be people and as about firearms - not many people have weapons in this country except army (plus some weapon in hands of criminals and farmers). and as you'll be travelling to your auntie next town (bugging out if you prefer to call it so) without weapon and somebody starts shooting you - without few kgs (vest) more on you it's easier to run away.
lonewolf wrote:may be ok for some one in a big city but I would think a stab proof vest would be better.
I agree with stabproof, but still there are more important things to focus on. it just looks like thread for dreamers - I bet guy is seeking for some firearms as well to topup the vest
as and advice for all preppers who dream of shtf scenario. try to shit few days in a row outside, in a rain, in snow or wind, and then you'll see if it is cool, try to live a week on just one crappy meal a day, try to sleep outside (I slept outside during summer in just sleeping bag on mattress and trust me it is cold and had to sleep in winter coat and woolly hat), or maybe just ask homeless guy what's it like and he'll tell you its not cool. a lot of people think it would be a great adventure and theirs prepping is rather a hobby and dreaming of adventure. personally I hope there won't be shtf situation in my life and prepare rather for short periods with lack of food.
as about bugging out - sorry guys but a trip to auntie who lives in next town is not bugging out but paying a visit and this country is too small to bug out to nature. it is not Russia or US/Canada that you can go into mountains or forests and stay unnoticed for years. whereever you go there will be people and as about firearms - not many people have weapons in this country except army (plus some weapon in hands of criminals and farmers). and as you'll be travelling to your auntie next town (bugging out if you prefer to call it so) without weapon and somebody starts shooting you - without few kgs (vest) more on you it's easier to run away.
Hi there J23 I kind of take a little offence to that I asked opinions based on that you all thought not to be shot down in flames ha. For the record I have a pretty good stock of prep equipment pretty much over stocked in every aspect i.e. first aid, food etc also for the record myself and my girlfriend regularly take ourselves out of our comfort zone and go to a remote place and learn skills that we think will be useful. I have also been homeless for the whole of last summer so also know how it feel luckily I was sleeping in my car but was still pretty harsh! I treat prepping as seriously as I take first aid when I am doing something in an official capacity.
Anyway Cheers for reading etc my preps are my preps and not yours so each to their own I shall stick with my vests etc
Matt, anyone in authority seeing you wearing Body armour will treat you as a threat, and subject you to extra investigation. It could be lethal for you.
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There's a remake
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I'd steer clear of the remake unless you want a bit of mindless fun. Take it serious and you'll be screaming at the TV.
Anyway, back onto body armour - I say, if you've done a complete risk assessment of your situation and location and you honestly feel body armour is necessary then it should become part of your preps. Personally, I can't think of a situation where I'd need it, so I don't plan for it. I'd be interested to know what risk assessment you've done that makes you think it's necessary. I'm not picking holes or being argumentative for no reason, I'm genuinely interested to know more about situations where poeple see body armour as a requirement. Can the original poster explain a bit more?
I live in a built up city area where there is significant gun and knife crime already. Someone was stabbed in the street only last weekend three minutes away from my house I firmly believe where I live that is society collapsed and law and order broke down there would be total anarchy on the streets and whether bugging in or bugging out I want to give myself and the people that I am with the biggest chance of survival no matter what the cost. And I firmly believe that if a vest that has cost me £200 with level four plates can even give me a 20% chance of greater survival then the cost is worth it. I agree that walking around with a full set of Osprey MTP armour would look strange and raise some eyebrows but for instance in the middle of winter with other baggy clothes it will not I have also brought black covers for all my armour so it would blend in more. If I never have to use it thank god its like my GSR respirators i hope never to have to use them but id rather have them than not have them...
Hamradioop wrote:Matt, anyone in authority seeing you wearing Body armour will treat you as a threat, and subject you to extra investigation. It could be lethal for you.
exactly, your trying to blend in (grey man) not stick out like a sore thumb!!!
Sirmattyb wrote:I live in a built up city area where there is significant gun and knife crime already. Someone was stabbed in the street only last weekend three minutes away from my house I firmly believe where I live that is society collapsed and law and order broke down there would be total anarchy on the streets and whether bugging in or bugging out I want to give myself and the people that I am with the biggest chance of survival no matter what the cost. And I firmly believe that if a vest that has cost me £200 with level four plates can even give me a 20% chance of greater survival then the cost is worth it. I agree that walking around with a full set of Osprey MTP armour would look strange and raise some eyebrows but for instance in the middle of winter with other baggy clothes it will not I have also brought black covers for all my armour so it would blend in more. If I never have to use it thank god its like my GSR respirators i hope never to have to use them but id rather have them than not have them...
That makes sense to me because you've done your risk assessment. I can understand now that if you were forced to bail out, you'd want that security. I guess you'd decide if and when to ditch the vests to become more mobile. Cheers!
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I recently experienced Plymouth City centre so that's why I prep.
lonewolf wrote:may be ok for some one in a big city but I would think a stab proof vest would be better.
I agree with stabproof, but still there are more important things to focus on. it just looks like thread for dreamers - I bet guy is seeking for some firearms as well to topup the vest
as and advice for all preppers who dream of shtf scenario. try to shit few days in a row outside, in a rain, in snow or wind, and then you'll see if it is cool, try to live a week on just one crappy meal a day, try to sleep outside (I slept outside during summer in just sleeping bag on mattress and trust me it is cold and had to sleep in winter coat and woolly hat), or maybe just ask homeless guy what's it like and he'll tell you its not cool. a lot of people think it would be a great adventure and theirs prepping is rather a hobby and dreaming of adventure. personally I hope there won't be shtf situation in my life and prepare rather for short periods with lack of food.
as about bugging out - sorry guys but a trip to auntie who lives in next town is not bugging out but paying a visit and this country is too small to bug out to nature. it is not Russia or US/Canada that you can go into mountains or forests and stay unnoticed for years. whereever you go there will be people and as about firearms - not many people have weapons in this country except army (plus some weapon in hands of criminals and farmers). and as you'll be travelling to your auntie next town (bugging out if you prefer to call it so) without weapon and somebody starts shooting you - without few kgs (vest) more on you it's easier to run away.
Hi there J23 I kind of take a little offence to that I asked opinions based on that you all thought not to be shot down in flames ha. For the record I have a pretty good stock of prep equipment pretty much over stocked in every aspect i.e. first aid, food etc also for the record myself and my girlfriend regularly take ourselves out of our comfort zone and go to a remote place and learn skills that we think will be useful. I have also been homeless for the whole of last summer so also know how it feel luckily I was sleeping in my car but was still pretty harsh! I treat prepping as seriously as I take first aid when I am doing something in an official capacity.
Anyway Cheers for reading etc my preps are my preps and not yours so each to their own I shall stick with my vests etc
Cheers,
Matt
I didn't mean to offend you but was pointing how ridiculous seem things seem to me. as about living in a bad area - you can move to better place with lower crime rate - can't you? sometimes it's not worth to save on rent as it is saving on your life.
plus I would also start thinking about investments and education if I were you. You wrote you were homeless for a while - do all you can to avoid it in the future - find a decent profession and start learning how to invest your savings - skills much more needed in today's world than a vest.
good luck and don't push it too far
"I didn't mean to offend you but was pointing how ridiculous seem things seem to me. as about living in a bad area - you can move to better place with lower crime rate - can't you? sometimes it's not worth to save on rent as it is saving on your life.
plus I would also start thinking about investments and education if I were you. You wrote you were homeless for a while - do all you can to avoid it in the future - find a decent profession and start learning how to invest your savings - skills much more needed in today's world than a vest.
good luck and don't push it too far[/quote]"
I live in a fairly good area mate just things are bad and getting worse. I have investments and I have an education I work in IT Security Sales and make a good wage unfortunate I lost my business at the beginning of last year and it wiped me out for a while. Onwards and upwards. To be honest being homeless wasn't that Bad I went camping and as I mentioned I had a car to sleep in. I treated it like an adventure and a life lesson and four months on I am back on track. As for savings I dont believe in hoarding money I like to live life and have fun!!!
