2 Person Sleep System for Bug Out Situation

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space.gamer
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Re: 2 Person Sleep System for Bug Out Situation

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Frnc wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:00 pm Took me years to get my bugout gear together. Still tweaking it a little bit. I do a bit of a seasonal swap around in the autumn and spring, and try to keep track of things with expiry dates. Note that some first aid dressings have dates on them these days.

For reference, my solo winter bugout kit, if I was going for just a few days on foot, weighs 12.5 kg plus what I'm wearing, phone, and a couple of little extras (keys, wallet, main head torch, earphones, documents)
Aye. My bags arrive tomorrow hopefully so I’ll feedback on how I’m feeling once I get them. My tent is in my bag atm so with that and my 5.11 I’ll weight it and see how I’m doing.
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Re: 2 Person Sleep System for Bug Out Situation

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space.gamer wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:53 pm
Frnc wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:00 pm Took me years to get my bugout gear together. Still tweaking it a little bit. I do a bit of a seasonal swap around in the autumn and spring, and try to keep track of things with expiry dates. Note that some first aid dressings have dates on them these days.

For reference, my solo winter bugout kit, if I was going for just a few days on foot, weighs 12.5 kg plus what I'm wearing, phone, and a couple of little extras (keys, wallet, main head torch, earphones, documents)
Aye. My bags arrive tomorrow hopefully so I’ll feedback on how I’m feeling once I get them. My tent is in my bag atm so with that and my 5.11 I’ll weight it and see how I’m doing.
If you start getting low on space, you can strap the tent on the outside. Depending on how fit you are, you may be happy with carrying more weight, but volume is another factor.

You'll need water and food. Lightest water bottles are the flexible, collapsible ones eg Platypus, Evernew. If you want a hard bottle, search around, some are lighter than others for the same volume. Nalgene do one that's lighter than their normal ones. Of course you need a lightweight filter like a Sawyer Micro (78g plus cleaning plunger, should filter 100,000 gallons) and puri tabs (some ebay and Amazon Oasis tabs retailers tell you the expiry date, which ideally is about 5 years. Note that they come in different sizes. You don't want tabs that do 10 litres if you are bugging out with a 1 litre bottle).

Regarding food, you are looking for the most calories per gram, which is basically fat. Carbs and protein are less calorie dense. Of course food with water in it is heavy. Freeze dried meals are good if you can boil water, shelf life varies a lot from 2-7 years. Most of the Fuel Your Preparation ones have about 6-7 years and you can eat them when they are about to expire.
Lifeboat ration bars seem pretty good. Seven seas is 500g, contains 9 x 56g bars, 278 calories per bar (110 from fat), shelf life is about 5 years.
I carry about 5 FYP meals and one Seven Seas box of 9. Volume-wise, SS is very compact. The FYP meals are a bit harder to pack if they are all in one bag, but you could slide them individually into gaps at the edge of the pack, or horizontally between other stuff.

Pasta (and rice, I believe, not tried that) though can be cooked by just adding boiled water and keeping insulated for about 13 minutes. You can buy tuna in plastic "fridge pots" which has about 2 year shelf life and contains very little water. I don't keep these in my BOB, but I do have them in my kitchen copboard.
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Re: 2 Person Sleep System for Bug Out Situation

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Frnc wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:33 am You'll need water and food. Lightest water bottles are the flexible, collapsible ones eg Platypus, Evernew. If you want a hard bottle, search around, some are lighter than others for the same volume. Nalgene do one that's lighter than their normal ones. Of course you need a lightweight filter like a Sawyer Micro (78g plus cleaning plunger, should filter 100,000 gallons) and puri tabs (some ebay and Amazon Oasis tabs retailers tell you the expiry date, which ideally is about 5 years. Note that they come in different sizes. You don't want tabs that do 10 litres if you are bugging out with a 1 litre bottle).

Regarding food, you are looking for the most calories per gram, which is basically fat. Carbs and protein are less calorie dense. Of course food with water in it is heavy. Freeze dried meals are good if you can boil water, shelf life varies a lot from 2-7 years. Most of the Fuel Your Preparation ones have about 6-7 years and you can eat them when they are about to expire.
Lifeboat ration bars seem pretty good. Seven seas is 500g, contains 9 x 56g bars, 278 calories per bar (110 from fat), shelf life is about 5 years.
I carry about 5 FYP meals and one Seven Seas box of 9. Volume-wise, SS is very compact. The FYP meals are a bit harder to pack if they are all in one bag, but you could slide them individually into gaps at the edge of the pack, or horizontally between other stuff.

Pasta (and rice, I believe, not tried that) though can be cooked by just adding boiled water and keeping insulated for about 13 minutes. You can buy tuna in plastic "fridge pots" which has about 2 year shelf life and contains very little water. I don't keep these in my BOB, but I do have them in my kitchen copboard.
I think I have food and water covered in the most part. I've got a Sawyer Squeeze with a different squeeze bag, and I have lots of freeze dried food (like Summit To Eat), bags of peanuts and protein/granola bars and the like. As a household we do food storage anyway, so we've got weeks of food stored for bug-ins. (I can live on tuna and rice anyways)

The only thing I'm not sure I want is some Puri tabs but then again, it does no harm to get a few 1Ltr tabs and keep them in my bag - not exactly heavy or large. I may need to buy some lighter water bottles but for now, it's low priority.
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Re: 2 Person Sleep System for Bug Out Situation

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space.gamer wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:49 am
Frnc wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:33 am You'll need water and food. Lightest water bottles are the flexible, collapsible ones eg Platypus, Evernew. If you want a hard bottle, search around, some are lighter than others for the same volume. Nalgene do one that's lighter than their normal ones. Of course you need a lightweight filter like a Sawyer Micro (78g plus cleaning plunger, should filter 100,000 gallons) and puri tabs (some ebay and Amazon Oasis tabs retailers tell you the expiry date, which ideally is about 5 years. Note that they come in different sizes. You don't want tabs that do 10 litres if you are bugging out with a 1 litre bottle).

Regarding food, you are looking for the most calories per gram, which is basically fat. Carbs and protein are less calorie dense. Of course food with water in it is heavy. Freeze dried meals are good if you can boil water, shelf life varies a lot from 2-7 years. Most of the Fuel Your Preparation ones have about 6-7 years and you can eat them when they are about to expire.
Lifeboat ration bars seem pretty good. Seven seas is 500g, contains 9 x 56g bars, 278 calories per bar (110 from fat), shelf life is about 5 years.
I carry about 5 FYP meals and one Seven Seas box of 9. Volume-wise, SS is very compact. The FYP meals are a bit harder to pack if they are all in one bag, but you could slide them individually into gaps at the edge of the pack, or horizontally between other stuff.

Pasta (and rice, I believe, not tried that) though can be cooked by just adding boiled water and keeping insulated for about 13 minutes. You can buy tuna in plastic "fridge pots" which has about 2 year shelf life and contains very little water. I don't keep these in my BOB, but I do have them in my kitchen copboard.
I think I have food and water covered in the most part. I've got a Sawyer Squeeze with a different squeeze bag, and I have lots of freeze dried food (like Summit To Eat), bags of peanuts and protein/granola bars and the like. As a household we do food storage anyway, so we've got weeks of food stored for bug-ins. (I can live on tuna and rice anyways)

The only thing I'm not sure I want is some Puri tabs but then again, it does no harm to get a few 1Ltr tabs and keep them in my bag - not exactly heavy or large. I may need to buy some lighter water bottles but for now, it's low priority.
Puri tabs aren't vital if you have a Sawyer, but the Sawyer could fail, or get lost. Puri tabs also kill viruses, which Sawyers and pretty much all filters don't. This is another advantage of having something to boil water, which you presumably need for your freeze dried meals anyway. ULOG have two filters that do remove viruses, MUV Nomad Water Filter, £41, 230 g (includes bottle) and the Guardian £225, 472g plus pouch, 530g total. Obviously the Guardian is more for groups. Speaking of boiling, if you research it, you'll find a few minutes at a lower temp will pasteurise water OK. Obviously if you bring water to the boil it's already had a few minutes at temperatures a bit below boiling as it heats up.