future education

[ForgeCorvus]

yes, but that's a modern way of looking at it. I think that any future generation post SHTF will have different objective's and goals, we will have a more agricultural and agrarian society, and things will all have a different aspect. we may have to go back several centuries in able to start again and schooling will be a long way down the set of requirements. it will be all hands to the tiller or more accurately the harvest, and child labour will be needed if everyone is to be fed, housed and watered. don't make the mistake of thinking any society POST SHTF will be the same as it was pre SHTF.

Which is why I said that schooling would have to take place during the slack times, when theres not work to be done. Rather then 9 to4 on week-days (which would tie up adults to teach as well as the kids), why do you think that the school summer holiday is when it is..... So the kids could help with harvest (a mostly redundant idea by the 1850's as most of the population didn't work on the land)

Besides the 3-R's, I think that schooling would be more vocational then formal. After all, half the subjects they tried to teach me wouldn't have much use in the PAW ('Computers' and 'Humanities' for example). However, if you want to build a barn and theres nobody around to show you how you need to be able to read about it in a book and calculate how much/how long/what angle etc

[lonewolf]

Besides the 3-R's, I think that schooling would be more vocational then formal. After all, half the subjects they tried to teach me wouldn't have much use in the PAW ('Computers' and 'Humanities' for example). However, if you want to build a barn and theres nobody around to show you how you need to be able to read about it in a book and calculate how much/how long/what angle etc

that's okay if books still exist by then, most of the libraries could have been burnt down in the mob rioting and maybe the survivors didn't have room for books when they bugged out. any future generation would be taught by showing them how to do IT, time and time again until they got it right!

[ForgeCorvus]

Books are a prep.

[lonewolf]

depends, books are generally heavy, people may wish to carry food instead when they bug out, I can easily see books being left behind and then burnt when the arson mob arrives.

[theoldcowguru]

yes, but that's a modern way of looking at it. I think that any future generation post SHTF will have different objective's and goals, we will have a more agricultural and agrarian society, and things will all have a different aspect. we may have to go back several centuries in order to start again and schooling will be a long way down the set of requirements. it will be all hands to the tiller or more accurately the harvest, and child labour will be needed if everyone is to be fed, housed and watered. in fact everyone will have to work in the new society, there will be no idle hands, unemployment will be a thing of the past. don't make the mistake of thinking any society POST SHTF will be the same as it was pre SHTF. teaching will be by showing, and it will be "life skills" not the 3R's.

What's the point in rediscovering centuries of work if you can just retain the knowledge? It would make survival far easier and won't waste so much time and effort rediscovering it. It's cruel to be stupid, and I'm sure many preppers want to survive and thrive.

If we didn't retain the knowledge, people here have to start all over again in many areas of expertise as, no doubt, knowledge will be lost or forgotten. People of these generations may be able to understand it, but what ensures that all the knowledge you have acquired in your lifetime is passed on to the future generations, as it isn't on a priority list. The future generations will over time wouldn't be able to understand the more complicated things as the process of losing knowledge will repeat itself. Where would they start in education? We should provide the foundation. If everyone thought it wasn't important, then we all are going to have a hard time ahead. Yes we can live without knowledge, but that isn't very promising for our future.

It gives an advantage to people with knowledge as they can better plan and understand our opponents (if there are any) and they would be able to bargain skills thought lost. Understanding chemistry, such as the differsnt methods how to make or put out fires or how could certain things be useful like Nitrogen or how to prevent eutrophication. Understanding basic physics like forces will come useful when making things. Would it be wise to discard 2000 years of history? I think not. I can go on for ages and far more in-depth. but it's self-explanatory.

[cpslashm]

Books are a prep.

Modify: Books are a prep for those of us who are not planning to bug out.

[cpslashm]

that's okay if books still exist by then, most of the libraries could have been burnt down in the mob rioting and maybe the survivors didn't have room for books when they bugged out. any future generation would be taught by showing them how to do IT, time and time again until they got it right!

I agree that most education will revert to vocational apprenticeship style but before that the (painfully few) survivors will need to re-learn skills. If useful books are still available then the educated can teach themselves the basics to show the young-uns who will take to it like programming a VCR, i.e. be much better at it.

My wife used to work for a library service where the boss was passionate about keeping all manner of old books in a basement storage "for when the lights go out". Eventually he left and his successor chucked them all out to make space.

Is anyone keeping books on how to make books?

[pseudonym]

theoldcowguru,

As requested in the second post of this thread and the PM I sent you:

Please take a moment to make an introductory post in the New Members area. Many thanks.

[lonewolf]

the problem is a lot of people think POST SHTF is going to be the same as PRE SHTF, it isn't, and yes some knowledge, maybe a lot of knowledge will be lost, it already is!!!

[ForgeCorvus]

Books are a prep.

Modify: Books are a prep for those of us who are not planning to bug out.

Books are a prep, for those of us who also have storage ?

No reason why your BOL can't have a library.


Lonewolf: Who ? We all know that the PAW is not and never will be like it was pre-PAW, thats why its TEOTWAWKI not an Interregnum.
I'd be a survivor so the next generation could be farmers and the one after that could be poets.
To do that knowledge needs to be preserved, and the easiest way to do that is by the written word.... I'll admit that the best way would be to store it in memory, but it just takes one winter fever or one lazy apprentice to lose a lifetime of information.

Check out a book called Canticle for Leibowitz,