Health. Self help.

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ForgeCorvus
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jansman wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:29 pm
Mad Scientist wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm Several years ago I studied a Herbal Medicine course in Bristol. The guy who ran it manages an apothecary there, he’s an absolute genius and I loved the course. Trying to grow a bit of a herbal garden too. I’m really glad that plenty of folk still make herbal remedies. Love the legend of The Four Thieves whose lives were spared in exchange for the recipe that kept them alive, a tincture of lavender, black pepper, rosemary and a couple of other herbs that increase immunity and inhibit pathogens, there are a few different recipes. Would really recommend everyone have some training in Herbal medicine or a couple of good books on the subject. First Aid from the inside out.
My wife is extremely interested in the topic. Chinese medicine too. I have several books for her birthday, along with her Über expensive favourite perfume! :lol:
Chinese medicine probably has quite a few effective treatments, but it also has a measure of quackery (It seems the rarer and more endangered the source the more its supposed to cure, Pangolin scales for example) .... And its very hard to sift the gems from the sand.

We in the West still use a lot of herbal medicines...... They've just been extracted, refined and made into tablets (Digitalis from Foxgloves etc)

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ForgeCorvus wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:16 pm
jansman wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:29 pm
Mad Scientist wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm Several years ago I studied a Herbal Medicine course in Bristol. The guy who ran it manages an apothecary there, he’s an absolute genius and I loved the course. Trying to grow a bit of a herbal garden too. I’m really glad that plenty of folk still make herbal remedies. Love the legend of The Four Thieves whose lives were spared in exchange for the recipe that kept them alive, a tincture of lavender, black pepper, rosemary and a couple of other herbs that increase immunity and inhibit pathogens, there are a few different recipes. Would really recommend everyone have some training in Herbal medicine or a couple of good books on the subject. First Aid from the inside out.
My wife is extremely interested in the topic. Chinese medicine too. I have several books for her birthday, along with her Über expensive favourite perfume! :lol:
Chinese medicine probably has quite a few effective treatments, but it also has a measure of quackery (It seems the rarer and more endangered the source the more its supposed to cure, Pangolin scales for example) .... And its very hard to sift the gems from the sand.

We in the West still use a lot of herbal medicines...... They've just been extracted, refined and made into tablets (Digitalis from Foxgloves etc)

Jansman: Always try to buy the SOP something you know they will like...... It took me few years to learn that one
Acupuncture and pressure is what she is interested in. A former Royal Marine colleague of mine was a runner. Marathons, cross country, the lot! 20 years ago his knees were knackered. He had all the treatment, to no result. Then he tried acupuncture. It worked. Not perfect, but better. He was so impressed, he went to China and trained as a practitioner!

I remember watching a ‘Whickers World’ episode ( remember that?) from China. A gentleman had open heart surgery. No anaesthetic- ACUPUNCTURE. Something in it. ;)
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That’s amazing! Coming from a scientific background I must confess to a long history of healthy skepticism of some alternative therapies but haven’t had any experience of acupuncture myself but I’m quite happy to read more about it and listen to people’s experiences. Keeping an open mind.
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In traditional Chinese culture you paid your doctor to advise you & keep you well. If you became ill you ceased paying until you were cured. This turns Western medicine on its head. There is no incentive to make unnecessary interventions and plenty of incentive to encourage healthy living.
I imagine it all falls to bits if there is an epidemic and the doctor suddenly is overwhelmed with work and not being paid for any of it but I do like the change of viewpoint.
Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is very strongly linked with Chinese martial arts. Typically the village healer was also the village martial arts master. In other words, "You break it. You fix it". Villages used martial artists to perform village defense, and protect travelling merchants from bandits. This may explain why Tai Chi is both a martial art and a very effective physio/rehab system.
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jansman wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:36 pm
ForgeCorvus wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:16 pm
jansman wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:29 pm

My wife is extremely interested in the topic. Chinese medicine too. I have several books for her birthday, along with her Über expensive favourite perfume! :lol:
Chinese medicine probably has quite a few effective treatments, but it also has a measure of quackery (It seems the rarer and more endangered the source the more its supposed to cure, Pangolin scales for example) .... And its very hard to sift the gems from the sand.

We in the West still use a lot of herbal medicines...... They've just been extracted, refined and made into tablets (Digitalis from Foxgloves etc)

Jansman: Always try to buy the SOP something you know they will like...... It took me few years to learn that one
Acupuncture and pressure is what she is interested in. A former Royal Marine colleague of mine was a runner. Marathons, cross country, the lot! 20 years ago his knees were knackered. He had all the treatment, to no result. Then he tried acupuncture. It worked. Not perfect, but better. He was so impressed, he went to China and trained as a practitioner!

I remember watching a ‘Whickers World’ episode ( remember that?) from China. A gentleman had open heart surgery. No anaesthetic- ACUPUNCTURE. Something in it. ;)
I take CBD gummies for my knees, mainly in winter time so things like acupuncture interest me. My cousin has stage 3 cancer and while she takes all ‘normal’ treatment, she’s also used complimentary medication alongside it. She said she was the only girl in Glasgow that never got stoned till she was in her late 50’s…
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Some years ago I watched an anaesthetist on TV saying that he used acupuncture to stop his patients being sick after anaesthetics. He said he was sceptical but decided to give it a try. It worked! He continued to use it although he remained sceptical and could'nt work out why it helped but, he said incredulously:"It works".
Also some years ago, I discovered acupressure (like those "sea bands" you can buy) worked for morning (i.e.all day) sickness when I was pregnant. Trouble is, the week after I discovered it, the nausea wore off and I never got pregnant again. Better late than never, I suppose.
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My shoulder 90% stopped working for months, and it could go into agony if it did move. My doc suggested an operation. I cured it myself with things I did instinctively like pulling my arm with my other arm, some stretching and a video I saw on youtube of some movements. I still do them now and then.
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Frnc wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:22 pm My shoulder 90% stopped working for months, and it could go into agony if it did move. My doc suggested an operation. I cured it myself with things I did instinctively like pulling my arm with my other arm, some stretching and a video I saw on youtube of some movements. I still do them now and then.
I have serious back problems. About five years ago I asked my doctor for some exercises. My Royal Marine friend suggested that would work. The doctor wanted me to take relaxing - drugs and see a specialist. I pointed out that if simple exercises worked,then a lot of time and money would be saved. It took him a week to sort out what I asked for. You know what? It worked. Sometimes simple things can be the best ones.
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Having a demonstration of this chez nous this week. Husband taken ill suddenly Sunday early hours. Surgery opened at 8.30am with a recorded message saying only one gp and one nurse practitioner on site, so dealing with emergencies only. If it's not an emergency then hang up and try at a later date :shock:
Well hubby has had this exact same thing hppen at xmas time - google "acute urinary retention" and see what you get. It's an emergency, It's life threatening. Bloody receptionist had to be talked round to passing the message onto the gp and said snootily that the doc might call us back if he had time.
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So then I called 111. Got a lovely doc in A&E who was helpful, said very def an emergency, but during surgery hours it was up to the GP to deal with it, so to get back on the phone and be firm this time. Which I did, but poor hubby had to wait in a lot of pain until 4.30pm for the callback, and it was 5.30pm before he was seen.
I dono how we can self help for things like that. (Doc told him he has kidney disease, a bladder infection and he needs an op on prostate. Got antiBs and pills.)