Ideal habitat for survival long term.

[Rearfang]

Quite fancy heading to Warwick castle raise the drawbridge should keep average joe looter out

[moocher]

I was musing over where would be the best place to be away from possible "attack" should food become really scarce and gangs started to roam the countryside for supplies (i.e. robbing, shooting and rape, etc.). I would think that after a month of no food gangs from towns would begin to appear in the semi-urban/rural areas. They would of course use 4x4s to move about and they would have weapons of some sort.

I would surmise about 20 miles from the nearest large town and only small villages in between to "soak up" the initial wave of "foragers".

Any thoughts welcome.

If your talking shtf ,then i think it would be looted prestige luxury suvs and sports cars they would hoon around in.

[madtrapper]

I already have a simple. A frame log cabin its about a 2 hour row from my hometown

[Panther]

Quite fancy heading to Warwick castle raise the drawbridge should keep average joe looter out

Thank goodness Warwick Castle is rather large, I suspect a lot of us would be heading there

[grenfell]

From what I recall of Warwick castle I think you'll need to block up a few doorways as well as raising the drawbridge, oh and maybe flood the moat again. On the plus side all those waxworks would give you a wonderful fuel source

[lee3]

Hello I am new here so forgive me if I miss some eticate in replying

There seems to be a couple of conflicting disaster scenarios ... Short term recoverable and irrevocable end of structured society situations .... I think in the first ...mass power outages/temporary lack of common resources fuel etc .... Presuming these don't trip in to the second and become irrevocable (which I can't help but feel is likely) then staying put and basic preparedness of your home environment resources and physical requirements are the obvious way to go..... My fear of things dissolving into and end of ordered (for want of a better phrase) society mean personally I'm heading for the sticks ... Easier for me than most as I am pretty rural already, plus know the environment ..... The idea that big city folk will head on mass to an environment they are unfamiliar with ... Well I just can't see it .... People will I believe mostly stay put waiting for help.....and if it doesn't come fight over scant resources .... But as has been pointed out...for the I'll prepared farrrr richer pickings than can be found by the unprepared wandering around the countryside Can be found in large urban populate areas.... The idea that city folk would wander of into the countryside chopping trees ... For fuel to burn? its plentiful within towns and easier to obtain ...furniture, doors garden sheds fences etc ...... I think the basis for the idea that masses will evacuate urban environments is flawed as there will likely be three weeks resources for many to scavenge within urban environments .....except water...... When it stops appearing from the magic spout in the kitchen ... People will start to drink anything within days .... Unfortunately what will follow ... Again in my opinion will be sickness ... And without sanitation? Disease .....weakness will preclude running ....and running to where anyway .... People will mistake dehydration for hunger ... And be woefully out of their element in the sticks choosing to stay where they can beg borrow or steal something they can eat...I don't think many will survive the in fighting or sickness that will blight urban areas and after only a few days of lack of food bad water etc won't have the stamina or sense of purpose required to head out .. Be it on foot bike or scavenged vehicle .... Although I do recommend staying away from roads lol .... Hmmm after reading this back I would like to say I in nooo way whatsoever want a situation like this to ever happen ...... Just can't shake the thought that its inevitable ..... Hense being prepared ... Anyway should it happen whoever has the right idea will be farrrr to busy to even think ..."I told u so"
Thanks for the discussion I do like this site

[neilg]

Lee,you may be new here, but that is probably the most realistic and accurate post (in my mind) that I have read concerning this topic.Like you I see two scenarios,one which allows you prepare and sit it out in your property and the other in which things have got so bad that to be safe you need to leg it.There are so many on the forum who believe they will be able to defend their property no matter what happens.....well good luck to them I say,i know when i'm beat and if things do get to the point of no return,i know that trying to defend a house is not a viable option.

[poppypiesdad]

Welcome Lee

[vassili]

I too think lee3 makes some good observations there, there would still be a sizable number who will be clued up enough to realise urban is not the best option after a week or so and head out. I know it's wrong but I can't get the reoccurring image out of my head of towns folk running around a sixty acre field trying to get a bite out of a cow or a sheep!

[lee3]

.....after watching the walking dead the other night and reading the above comment I now have that image in my head ......so why is it comical in my head?.......there's either something wrong with me ... Or I've watched Shaun off the dead way to look many times!!
OK on a slightly more serious note ...... If I can get those images out of my head for long enough!
I suppose it depends on the scenario ..... But I don't think that those that hold the power would give up easily ...... They are preppers in a different way ...... They prep with control plans! ...... From parliment/Whitehall down to local councils civil law enforcment/emergency services ... They have plans for all sorts of scenarios up to and including ..... ( I believe anyway) end of world scenarios.... So I wonder what those plans are because I believe that will have a massive impact onourown survival plans! .....if we skip to my rambling thoughts early and make the presumption that most dramatic changes to our society will probably lead quite quickly to anarchy in major urban centres ......I would imagine that in the first instance control will quite quickly slip from normal civil law enforcements ability to some kind of martial law/curfew emergency rule.......with the scant resources being seized ......more than likely primarily with best intention to ration these........ Most obviously probably with fuel petrol/diesel ....but also with everything else you can imagine...... But what happens when it really kicks off in major towns and city's? Do I trust the powers that be to keep order and look after me and mine? ......... I guess not that's why I prep and that's why I am on here! And look I guess that's why we are all here!
Its not that I don't trust them I guess .... More that I don't trust ....everyone ...to stay calm....follow instructions....share resources....work together... I guess if we were like this as a race the world would be a vastly different place!
So back to my earlier mental meanderings! ..... What happens when unrest breaks out on an uncontrollable level .... And sickness and disease spreads in over populated areas? (Not overpopulated perhaps now .... But imagine without work food water sanitation etc...then I think hugely overpopulated) I think the 'powers' that be will have no option but to implement some kind of triage on mass .... If that makes any sense ..... By that I mean ..... I have read a lot on here about farmers and organised rural folk forming mini societys .... And I guess its because food will become the massive renewable resource .... And predominantly its farmers and farms that have the production facility for this ..... But back to the triage thing .......have the powers that be dissapeared? .... I don't believe so ...... I live between two massive army bases..... Not only with garrisons of trooops .... Forgive my ignorance of correct military terminology! ... Along with whole towns of military family accommodaton and the most important bit....structured chain of command..... I believe that saving and providing for city folk when its nigh on impossible to keep order or deal with the health issues in these environments will lead to a withdrawal of government/law/military from these places ...replaced with controlled access and exit from them ......and it won't matter if your one of the 'crazys' running around clubbing everything in sight ... Or you are calmly sitting around hungry and cold awaiting the rations and medical help promised......you will be left .... You will be unsaveable ..... Wile order can be organised ..? And imposed? On the bulk of our food producing countryside ..... Obviously this is just my idea of how things might go ....
And to be honest only one of my ideas ....lol and I do apologise if I ramble from one place to the other ..... But I would be really interested in actual civil emergency/disaster plans .... I'm sure there must be some very expensive think tanks that have envisaged all eventualities ...and I bet there's reams of paper work with guidelines for the appropriate responses ..... And its not that I believe the military/law enforcement won't care ....I am certain at least with the military we have the very best and they care about there role of protecting our nation .....I just believe when it comes to it they will follow orders and try and preserve 'society' to the best of there ability and if that means choosing healthy survival of the few over anarchy and more than likely lower survival rates? .... Then like I say triage....and whose to say they would be wrong?
Back to what I said earlier .... If we were all caring sharing honest etc ....it just wouldn't be an issue we would all work hard at getting past it dispite the hunger the tiredness the lack of personal possessions...we could be doing that now ......but we chose to ignore the millions dying young starving and who have nothing .... And I don't mean personally I mean on a mass level ..... So for me its logical that. The few will learn to ignore the survival an health/comfort of those closer in order to remain comfortable themselves .........but I could be wrong .....apparently during the blitz just such a single purposed sciety arose in the face of such hardship........have we really changed that much ....or am I just a pessimist ......OK think I've rambled enough .....
Off to watch Shaun of the dead again .... My zombies sent so funny anymore...... I need to refresh the comical imaginings lol
Thanks
Lee