Who will rebuild? And with what....

[Malthouse]

How about "cause no neighbour to suffer"?

[grenfell]

Ah but think of the mental anguish you will have caused to that neighbour when he finds out that you have prepped and him and his family are starving. Of course if you then feed him...........
As it happens I think cpslashm does have a point even if it could be put across better. Very little of what someone does could be seen as doing no harm to anyone by somebody somewhere , all actions have a consequence at some point hence the need for a moral guideline like the ten commandments not that I'm religious.

[PreppingPingu]

Think of skills we have that might not be seen as skills but will come into their own in difficult times. Ask yourself the question - "what would make me useful in a society with limited tech and social order?" Look at your personality strengths and abilities. For example, I am very good with little kids, I am also a positive, generally upbeat sort of person and tend to encourage others and I can turn my hand to anything asked - not perfectly but have a go. Can this be translated into use? Yes I can look after children post shft while their skilled parents do the things they are skilled at. I can talk to people to certain degree so can be useful in a community situation in building bridges and strengthening cooperation between people. Listen to what people's views about you are now - how do people perceive you? Can you use that in a changed society to help and to be useful? Also are there areas to improve, skills to learn? From a non personal emotional and social perspective, as people have said, now is a good time to do evening courses or ask for a mate to teach you a physical skill that they have and you don't. The manual nitty gritty stuff but don't forget those "other" skills.

[ForgeCorvus]

I'd go for very very simple myself. Why have ten commandments when you only need one?

'' an' it harm none, do as ye will.''

There, covered

Because some people are planks and need to have rules that clearly state "Don't do X, Y or Z because its wrong"

I try to live by the Rede and that works well for individuals, however societies are made of people.

What did they say in Men in Black, something like :
" A person is smart. People are nasty, stupid and vindictive"

[cpslashm]

"As it happens I think cpslashm does have a point even if it could be put across better. "

Most of what I try to say could be put across better.
I do practical solutions.
It's words I cannot master.
Sorry.

[Plymtom]

Historically humans consider other humans with different religions or principles, as something less than themselves, they read there rules and look for loopholes so they can sh1t on one another or exclude people with conflicting ideas from the decision making process, the point of a prepper prepping is mainly self preservation, yet looked at from another angle the prepper refusing to help (by so doing harming their own chances ) is harming the other person, what this proves is redes, comandments, rules, can be as much a way around your moral compass as a guide for it, and that the area is grey, as are we, we are darkness and light

[Quercus-robur]

Some sort of democratic decision making leadership?
Single leader or group decisions?
What kind of rule of law will you as a group develop or stick to? Sharia? Same as now? Military Queens Regulations?
How will the collective food be divided? Ration card system for example?
How do you deal with 'The bad apple' in the group?

In the beginning at least we will rally behind a strong leader. Councils and committees talk too much and take too long to implement watered down ill-effective proposals. A leader who is limited in power in the form of a constitution will act faster and in the best interests of the community. Such a person would be made Mayor/Chief while everyone else also has a job from carpentry, smith, doctor, teacher etc and most people would probably take the role of farmer/labourer. In the beginner the Mayor will be the natural leader of the group who steps in to lead the group through crisis. A few years down the line, once society has stabilized, the town can hold democratic elections for the job of Mayor.

As someone else has mentioned, too many laws overload the system and make it ineffective. It also means you need lawyers to translate it for us and we don't want any lawyers. Or politicians for that matter. The constitution should, as well as limiting the power of the mayor, set out a simple and agreed list of universal maxims and laws to which we must all abide. The keeping of law will then be the job of a democratically elected Sheriff and his deputies. Any disturbances/conflicts that can't be resolved by the Sheriff go to a jury made up of random members of the community of voting age.

Sharia? I would do everything in my power to stop the implementation of Sharia. It is part of a dangerous and backward ideology that hasn't changed in over a thousand years. Anyone living in an area with a high Muslim population should consider the possibility that Sharia might get implemented should SHTF.

I would imagine that rather that trying to implement a failed ideology like Communism, people would still barter and trade their goods and we would still keep some form of monetary system. Money in itself is not evil and allows for a more efficient system of trade. Therefore, rather than rationing out food, we would see a reemergence of local markets and travelling merchants.

In a post SHTF community it pays to be a part of that community rather than trying to survive on your own which would make banishment an effective deterrent. There will still be bad apples though, though hopefully very few and I imagine in a small community the crimes will be mostly minor which would make jail time a legitimate form punishment so long as it is actually jail time and not a stay in a holiday retreat. Today prisoners have things like TV's and games consoles and more security than many people trying to make an honest living. Prison should be hard. Sometimes a conflict (civil or criminal) may arise where a trail by jury will be most appropriate to establish the best course of action in the interests of the community.

When I look at all the injustices of the world today I sometimes wish for SHTF so we can build a better world than the one we live in today.

Qr

[tinytim]

When I look at all the injustices of the world today I sometimes wish for SHTF so we can build a better world than the one we live in today.

Me too,, and eventually thats what will happen,, this whole system is totally unsustainable .
The Pheonix will however rise from the ashes .

[grenfell]

and we don't want any lawyers. Or politicians for that matter.

To that list I would add most of the people involved in the current money systems , the economists who see endless growth, the hedge fund managers ,stock exchange brokers raising and destroying wealth at a whim and those who fully believe fractional reserve and a debt based economy is an inheritantly stable way to run the world.
You say communism has failed ( actually I don't believe that and still think it's one of the better ideas our species has come up with but that's another argument for another day) but capitalism has equally failed. In it's basic form of barter and reliance on physical goods as in your example it is workable but over the years it has been bastardised into this corporatism that we have now with money making being the only guiding principal even to the point where banks create money out of thin air to lend to create debt which in turn creates the wealth or is it the illusion of wealth?

[Malthouse]

This thread is turning into a blueprint for a rebellion.

You can neither pick and choose the people you end up with after a disaster, nor exclude them from your new society.