Ideal habitat for survival long term.

[Amber_Leith]

That's the point I was going o make Lee.

Who is it that's the best armed? Who has thr best communicatiom equipement? Who is the largest and most organised gang in the UK? the police of course, these vigilanty looters won't last long, with a breakdkwn of law the police can be as brutal as they want.. would be criminals would be taken out with extreme force.

I can see a situation where the military take the countrysides resurces, covering things from the air, guarding farms etc and supplying the police controlled urban areas. Either way the ramblers are knackered and the Urban preppers will have resources centralised against their will.

Putting your head under the duvet and shutting the curtains won't be an option, 'empty' houses will go first, I'm harmless and even id be looking fof them.

Maybe the best bet would be to join the police lol.

Short term, everyone will be affected, homesteading etc will be required in the long term but your homes will be looted and burned for whatever food you have.

Tbh a boat would bd ideal, assuming waterways were allowed too stay open.

[prepperG]

The best enviroment is one that you preped, ideally with land for growing food/animals.
I had a good chuckle about the police comment. In Katrena 1/3 of police did not turn up for work and were even caught on camra looting in uniform!
They are also not as well equiped or trained as some people in this country.
they shoot 1 week in 6, and depend on x army for some skills.
In the riots they stood back in some cases, after all its better to say you dont have the resources and track down people afterwards.
The army are more of a problem, the way they are trained in riot control and house clearing is very different
Oh dont forget if you have left the army you could be recalled so make sure your family know what to do.

[bettersafethansorry]

Oh dont forget if you have left the army you could be recalled so make sure your family know what to do.

This is only valid for 6 years after you leave then they cant. without conscription for everyone including joe public.

(I left in 2003 so done my 6)

[Amber_Leith]

I had a good chuckle about the police comment. In Katrena 1/3 of police did not turn up for work and were even caught on camra looting in uniform!
They are also not as well equiped or trained as some people in this country.
they shoot 1 week in 6, and depend on x army for some skills.
In the riots they stood back in some cases, after all its better to say you dont have the resources and track down people afterwards..

The riots were not a WROL/SHTF situation, they had the potential to be but they were soon suppressed.

Those were not food riots.

[Hamradioop]

That's the point I was going o make Lee.

Who is it that's the best armed? Who has thr best communicatiom equipement? Who is the largest and most organised gang in the UK? the police of course, these vigilanty looters won't last long, with a breakdkwn of law the police can be as brutal as they want.. would be criminals would be taken out with extreme force.

I can see a situation where the military take the countrysides resurces, covering things from the air, guarding farms etc and supplying the police controlled urban areas. Either way the ramblers are knackered and the Urban preppers will have resources centralised against their will.

Putting your head under the duvet and shutting the curtains won't be an option, 'empty' houses will go first, I'm harmless and even id be looking fof them.

Maybe the best bet would be to join the police lol.

Short term, everyone will be affected, homesteading etc will be required in the long term but your homes will be looted and burned for whatever food you have.

Tbh a boat would bd ideal, assuming waterways were allowed too stay open.

In a SHTF situation the Police have too many commitments to do very much. See if you can find a copy of War Plan UK by Duncan Campbell to get some idea of Police commitments .http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Plan-UK-Def ... 0091506719

[lee3]

Thanks hamradioop
Just read a synopsis of that book.....now to find a copy I can afford .... Hmmm or library might be the best option
Just the bit I have read seems to point towards what I thought in earlier post .... But will give it a good read .... Will be interested in how, where and what the author was allowed to research to have reached his conclusions.
Have you read it?
Thanks again
Lee

[Hamradioop]

Thanks hamradioop
Just read a synopsis of that book.....now to find a copy I can afford .... Hmmm or library might be the best option
Just the bit I have read seems to point towards what I thought in earlier post .... But will give it a good read .... Will be interested in how, where and what the author was allowed to research to have reached his conclusions.
Have you read it?
Thanks again
Lee

Hi Lee,

No, I have not read the book but having had a professional interest in the past I respect his work for its accuracy. To give you some idea when we still had a Civil Defence Corps, there were also Police Mobile Columns, which would have been deployed to key areas, when the shtf.

[lee3]

Still looking for a copy of this book (that I can justifiably afford lol) however thought I'd add this link For anyone following this thread

http://www.civildefence.co.uk/war_planning.php

[SooBee]

Just to throw the cat among the pigeons...the bad scenario in a built up area is FIRE! If the water supply is affected and can't be used to put the fire out, it will spread and history tells us that many towns and cities have gone this way.


Soobee

[SooBee]

Apparently, when the possible effects of mass bombing raids were first looked at early in the last century they concentrated on the potential damage due to blast rather than fire. In the Blitz it was fire that caused so much damage. Never underestimate a possible firestorm. The riots in London recently showed us just how such a thing could start.