Which 4x4

[Technik]

After changing the fuel filter and checking the fuel lines the car is running again - thanks "unsure" for the advice. The smoke and lack of power is still there but at least it's back to how I bought it

Going back on topic - which winch would be best for the Pajero (or any 4x4) ? I didn't realise that there are a couple types like the electric and hydraulic ones.

[unsure]

personally i`d go for the biggest lbs winch you can afford , try and stay away from the cheap chinese ones . these will fail when you need them most . depending on your budget i`d be looking at a WARN winch or superwinch . even second hand ones are better than a chinese one .
just because they come with all the toys like wireless remove fitted , don`t mean they`re any good .


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warn-Tabor-10 ... 460a866033

[poppypiesdad]

Check out machine mart , they do supawinch

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/searc ... ory/page/1

Fitted a few of them to various 4x4's and a few recovery trucks , never had any issues with them.

J

[12mp82]

I wouldn't touch an electric winch as long as there are other options available.

first choice would be a hydraulic winch, as long as you have an engine running you have power to use it, if you go electric the draw from the battery will kill it in a couple of minutes and your vehicle will likely die as well.

Second choice is a tirfor, slow, methodical system maybe, but little to go wrong with it, and no disrespect too women but it is easy enough for them to crank a 110 ladden landrover with as it only does a few inches at a time. combine it with a whinching kit and you can use it pretty much anywhere, a snatch block lets you pull on an angle, and a ground anchor means you don't need a tree or other vehicle to pull against.

[unsure]

its just my opinion ,
hydro winch`s are a great piece of kit in the right situations and on the right vehical .
the only problem with fitting one to a pajaro is they are very limited on space under the bonnet .
you need somewere to mount the pump and tank . then you need to actually fit the winch its self this will fit behind the bumper so long as you have enough room to run the pipes . you can`t compromise on the bore of the pipes as this will impact on the performace of the unit itself
with a electric winch , its pretty much self contained and needs only two cables to work it . you can also put a switch in the cab to control it , that way if your on your own YoU can still winch your self out and drive at the same time .

[Technik]

I found this info on one of the land rover forums and I think sums it all up nicely:

The choice of winch you want is primarily down to 3 factors.

1) cost. How much money do you want to spend? If you don't have a lot of money then you can get a cheap 12000lb rated electric winch off ebay for around £250-£300. A superwinch or warn winch and bumper kit will set you back about £600 from rebel 4x4. You can also get an ex utilities shaft driven superwinch off ebay complete with either drive dog or pto, bumper and drive shafts for about £250-£350.

2) Use. What do you want to use it for? If you are intending to use the winch all the time (competition type of use/frequency), want it to stop and start on the button without over run or want to use the full length of cable and reel it in in a non stop pull then stay away from electric unless its a Warn 8274 or you know your stuff with snatch blocks. If it is an occasional get you out the mud affair for when greenlaning electric is fine.

3) Competency. How competent are you at D.I.Y. and using a winch correctly? Hydraulic are the most reliable but if you buy a hydraulic winch can you fit it? and if it stops working, bursts a pipe or a spring goes inside the valve can you fix it? If you overload a shaft driven winch it is generally just a case of fitting a new cottle pin and carrying on. With electric winches its generally a case of new motor or solenoid.
Do you know how to properly use single, double and multiple line pulls to extract you from the deep stuff?

In short.
If you are a beginner with a winch then I would recommend that you get an electric winch to start with because you will hear the motor start to struggle before the cable snaps and so can stop and re-think the situation before the cable breaks and takes your head off. If you are a bit more advanced and want the control then I would go for shaft driven purely for control and multiple speed reasons (5 forward speeds and throttle control). If money is no object and you know how hydrualics work then hydraulic is the strongest.

So having in mind that mine would be fitted on my family car I will go for electric. If space permits I will install an extra leisure battery under the bonnet but I doubt I will need to use the winch more than once/twice a year.
I also found this site which has more than enough gear http://www.firstfour.co.uk/products/win ... ccessories But I will also try and find someone local.
How do you attach the winch bumper to the vehicle - is it welded on or screwed on? And does it go in front of the existing one or instead of it?

[unsure]

most mount using the same bolt holes that your factory bumper uses , so its a case of one off then one on .

[12mp82]

For once or twice a year I would use the hi-lift jack as a winch, have done it a few times and it works fine, just not too quick.

I bought myself the Tirfor as it is multi use, I can pull with it and lift with it, it doesn't rely on battery nor hydraulics and is so easy to use I can get the wife or daughter to do it. I can also take it to places where I can't get a vehicle in to winch or lift other things, especially tree trunks for fire wood.

[poppypiesdad]

first choice would be a hydraulic winch, as long as you have an engine running you have power to use it, if you go electric the draw from the battery will kill it in a couple of minutes and your vehicle will likely die as well.

Never in 20 years have I had a vehicle cut out by using a battery powered winch. But hydraulic will require a pto take off which is just too expensive unless a pto comes as standard with the vehicle, battery powered hydraulic pump packs, never used one.

[poppypiesdad]

For once or twice a year I would use the hi-lift jack as a winch, have done it a few times and it works fine, just not too quick.

I bought myself the Tirfor as it is multi use, I can pull with it and lift with it, it doesn't rely on battery nor hydraulics and is so easy to use I can get the wife or daughter to do it. I can also take it to places where I can't get a vehicle in to winch or lift other things, especially tree trunks for fire wood.

Oh jebus on a bike ,NEVER EVER NEVER CROSS A WINCH LINE WHILST UNDER TENSION, IN FACT NEVER CROSS IT FULL STOP. and NEVER USE A TOWBALL TO PULL LOADS USE CHASSIS MOUNTS, that is why people get killed being experts .

j