modplod wrote:This thread has gone down pretty well, I'm surprised this forum seems to be frequented by normal people afterall! :lol
So you're suggesting that those members who don't agree with your pro-gun stance aren't normal? Or perhaps you're just trying to stir up trouble? Either way, your comment isn't helpful.
I don't think it was intended in that manner Itsy
I too find that we collectively can have very good discussions on subjects which can be very touchy. I read MPs comment in the vein that many people see 'preppers' a the type of people who err on the very edges of opinion and yet we have had 8 pages of good discussion from many different viewpoints. I have certainly taken a lot from this thread and from the forum in general.
Keep calm and brew up is what I say...... Now where's my hob nobs...
12mp82 wrote:You mean apart from the 1992 Los Angeles riots? when 2000 were injured and 50+ were killed, I doubt any of them were gun shots though
Strangley enough no figures for any police being shot at
I didn't say no one in the states has ever been shot during a period of prolonged rioting and lawlessness....
Obviously quite a few shots got fired during the LA riots, although who’s to say how many we’re fired defensively…Korean shop owners defending their stores ect.
Nonetheless, this is still a world away from AWR’s vision of hundreds or even thousands of armed protesters shooting it out with armed police….potentially every time there’s a protest that get's a bit out of hand.
Attack Warning Red wrote:Say we do relax the laws. As I mentioned earlier, what happens in serious riots like Northern Ireland and London, where there would be a high likelihood of rioters carrying guns? The riot police would have to be armed with guns, for a start, as they know that the general public has access to firearms. So that'd screw up the NI peace process rather quickly - rioters firing off shots, the police firing back, rioters getting killed.
So whenever there's a protest in London (there have been a lot in recent years), the police would have to carry guns in case it turned into a riot, and so the protestors would have to carry guns, in case they felt threatened by the police. And then I end up getting shot in the cross fire on my way home from work...
but that doesn't happen in the States, does it?
Certainly I can’t think of a single instance where large numbers of rioters have turned up armed and fired on the police, can you?
Same goes for the argument that if gun laws were relaxed burglars, 'would simply arm themselves',
Yet the statistics tell a different story, so while in England over 50% of burglaries occur when the family is at home, in America so called ‘hot’ burglaries account for only 10% of break ins. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... ngeon.html#
So, in the LA riots, people were firing their guns quite happily in public. I don't want to get caught up in that while traveling to work, just because some people haven't grown up and want to play soldiers.
Attack Warning Red wrote:
So, in the LA riots, people were firing their guns quite happily in public. I don't want to get caught up in that while traveling to work, just because some people haven't grown up and want to play soldiers.
I think if you'd been driving to work right through the LA riots getting shot would be the least of your worries....
and as I said, quit a few of the people firing on that day were did so defending their homes, business and families against rioting mobs,
As I said though, a few scattered examples are a far cry from hundred or even thousands of protesters turning up armed to shoot it out with the police.
So, in the LA riots, people were firing their guns quite happily in public. I don't want to get caught up in that while traveling to work, just because some people haven't grown up and want to play soldiers.
I think you have effectively demonstrated that more guns around would make a bad thing worse in riot situations AWR, I wouldn't want anywhere near one either way.
I thought Modplod meant the forum was self moderating quite well considering how emotive the subject can be, I am doing alot of side switching for the sake of debate, when push comes to shove though, there's no way firearms for self defence here should be allowed here in the way they are allowed in the states, I don't think it would be as bad here as it gets there if they did, I just thing Brits have a different attitude,
I have a strategy, it's not written in stone, nor can it be, this scenario has too many variables, everything about it depends on those variables, being specific is not possible.
Sadly innocent people do get caught up when people start shooting at each other for whatever reason, only a week ago we saw that young Brit caught in the cross fire between two armed gang members.
Most of the small firearms like pistols don't have a vast range, but also their projectiles have no sense of who is bad, who is good and who is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So, in the LA riots, people were firing their guns quite happily in public. I don't want to get caught up in that while traveling to work, just because some people haven't grown up and want to play soldiers.
I think you have effectively demonstrated that more guns around would make a bad thing worse in riot situations AWR, I wouldn't want anywhere near one either way.
I thought Modplod meant the forum was self moderating quite well considering how emotive the subject can be, I am doing alot of side switching for the sake of debate, when push comes to shove though, there's no way firearms for self defence here should be allowed here in the way they are allowed in the states, I don't think it would be as bad here as it gets there if they did, I just thing Brits have a different attitude,
Strange though int it how in the 1900's the reverse was true, with American cities such as New York enacting strict legislation whilst in Edwardian London, pretty much anyone could go into a gunsmiths and walk out with a revolver.
Even until the mid-1950’s, self-defence was considered grounds for issuing a firearms certificate to those who lived in remote locations or often carried large amounts of money.
Nearly every house in rural areas, and quite a few in the towns had a shotgun
makes you wonder what changed...
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