Bugging Out ?

[TomW]

Thanks for the kind offer silverfox, ill be in touch...

[TeeDee]

I was wondering how you put that link up...... I tried last night and gave up

right, here you go, Burgh Island http://g.co/maps/5xtkg

My thoughts are larger , something like this would be excellent I think , but I welcome and comments abouts why its a poor choice.

http://g.co/maps/cwyb8

[bulldogeagle]

I was wondering how you put that link up...... I tried last night and gave up

right, here you go, Burgh Island http://g.co/maps/5xtkg

My thoughts are larger , something like this would be excellent I think , but I welcome and comments abouts why its a poor choice.

http://g.co/maps/cwyb8

Burgh island is like St.michaels Mount, both are small islands where not much food is produced so supplies are brought in from the mainland, both these islands are accessible on foot at low tide so would be open to attack by raiders at that time.

[Carrot Cruncher]

Just to put a positive word in about places like Burgh Island and St Michaels Mt. Ok, they are connected to the mainland for at least half the time.....but that can be a positive as well as a negative as you are not totally cut off from resources. Easy access to a long shoreline, fresh water, and timber etc for half the day, while still giving you a relatively isolated position for the other half of the day. You are getting the best of both worlds (or maybe the worst )

If being connected to the mainland is an issue that discounts such places then nowhere on the mainland of Great Britain will be any good as the same arguments can apply

Just a few thoughts as I'm not planning on ending up there.....unless the bar is open

[TeeDee]

If being connected to the mainland is an issue that discounts such places then nowhere on the mainland of Great Britain will be any good as the same arguments can apply

I don't see it that way , I think its a question of priority so yours may differ to mine.
I see the main priority as the ability to feed oneself , gather fuel and water to cover the basic needs for human life today, tomorrow and if its the end of the world , next year, next decade etc .
I can see the roving horde fear make people nervous under a 'what if i'm attacked' but to me it exactly that , 'what if' , if you feel that is the greatest fear and concern you will pick the most defendable place you can , the downside seems to be a lack of agricultural space fro crops and livestock.

In my ideal wishlist world in a TEOTWAWKI it I would be holed up on a large island with sutable infrastructure in place and plenty of space to grow crops , such as Scily , Jersey, etc.
But if i couldn't have an Island residence for whatever reason , I Would choose mainland agricultural farmland ( secluded ) over confining myself to a small island.

I just feel that Burgh and St Michaels Mount are far too small.

These are just my concerns , your may differ. I see the biggest problem in a post fall world as food production.

[bulldogeagle]

thats OK for now CC, but what about after "the event" when resourses are low or non existent? i know both these islands very well and they would be open to attack twice in every 24 hour period, thats not something i would look forward to, if someone is attacking via "the front door" where do you retreat to? at least on the mainland you have a chance to run away, on an island all they have to do is wait and lay siege until your food and water runs out and then attack when you are at your weakest.

[Carrot Cruncher]

These are just my concerns , your may differ. I see the biggest problem in a post fall world as food production

Me too. Not just the growing of the food which would be difficult enough without fertilizer and pesticides, but also protecting it. If the situation is such that we have to rely totally on what we can grow/hunt then the the situation will probably have deteriorated to the stage that protecting those crops (and yourselves) will also be necessary

The isles of scilly seem to be a good spot like you suggest. They have been populated since the stone age, water accessible via Bore Holes, and a warm climate relative to the rest of the uk.

Downsides, getting there, 30 miles off lands end. 30 miles may not seem far but for someone like me who has only pottered around the Solent in a sail boat, crossing 30 miles of that particular stretch of water is pretty risky, apart from the seas there are a lot of rocks just under the water especially near both coasts, you would need an experienced "skipper".

It's isolation which in a lot of cases would be a plus could also be a problem, not much opportunity for trading if the crops failed or the water supply was contaminated, I believe there are issues at the moment with saline ingress into the bore holes

A good spot though

Maybe we should be looking at more obscure places though, lots of people might also have the same idea regarding Burgh Island/Scilly Isles etc, maybe we need to look at places which wouldn't be so apparent if Joe Bloggs was looking for a bolt hole

[Carrot Cruncher]

thats OK for now CC, but what about after "the event" when resourses are low or non existent? i know both these islands very well and they would be open to attack twice in every 24 hour period, thats not something i would look forward to, if someone is attacking via "the front door" where do you retreat to? at least on the mainland you have a chance to run away, on an island all they have to do is wait and lay siege until your food and water runs out and then attack when you are at your weakest.

Boat ?

The sea will also provide another source of food if your crops fail or you cant get to them,

Castles were often built on remote spots with access from only one direction for a good reason, they could make a good guess which direction the threat would be coming from. They were all open to siege but must have been a success as they kept on building them.

[bulldogeagle]

These are just my concerns , your may differ. I see the biggest problem in a post fall world as food production

Me too. Not just the growing of the food which would be difficult enough without fertilizer and pesticides, but also protecting it. If the situation is such that we have to rely totally on what we can grow/hunt then the the situation will probably have deteriorated to the stage that protecting those crops (and yourselves) will also be necessary

Thats why we should not rely on one thing/put all our eggs in one basket! as well as growing crops, there is animal husbandry, you could start of with chickens and rabbits, hunting and foraging including trapping and snaring, anyone by the sea could be fishing and rock pooling, you could use seaweed for fertiliser, plus all our preps of course.

[diamond lil]

I was just thinking of this yesterday in the storms, and saw that there is one solitary wee soul stuck on St Kilda working at the RSPB bird observatory there !