Are these truly 'Not for human use' or are they just bypassing a regulation that prevents them from selling a restricted item?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00U59E2HS/r ... C2UXZFZD8A
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Its possible that these are not sterile and are genuinly made for training use on mannequins. Might be cheaper to make them non sterile so why waste good sutures on a training dummy.
If you want sterile ones, just buy them from a medical supplier: https://www.spservices.co.uk/shop/searc ... 2&order=lh
Bought them online before and not restricted as far as I am aware.
If you want sterile ones, just buy them from a medical supplier: https://www.spservices.co.uk/shop/searc ... 2&order=lh
Bought them online before and not restricted as far as I am aware.
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£3.54 to £4.74 each !!!!
That's a lot of money if a selection of sizes is needed.
The ones on Amazon do say they are sterile. The reason for asking was that I've been looking for outlets of these for some months now and it seems they are a difficult item to get hold of (cheaply anyway).
No, I don't mind spending the money if there is no alternative but cost sometimes has an affect on it's position in the purchasing list.
That's a lot of money if a selection of sizes is needed.
The ones on Amazon do say they are sterile. The reason for asking was that I've been looking for outlets of these for some months now and it seems they are a difficult item to get hold of (cheaply anyway).
No, I don't mind spending the money if there is no alternative but cost sometimes has an affect on it's position in the purchasing list.
My prepping consists of bugging out by bicycle so any comments are likely to be based on that scenario.
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Health care never comes cheap, the NHS has Isolated us from the cost of healthcare and long may it continue too.
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If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
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worth remembering , the higher the number the finer the needle , so 1.0 if your not bothered about what it looks like or 5.0 if you are .
i believe vet`s stitch`s are sterile , so that might be worth a look .
i believe vet`s stitch`s are sterile , so that might be worth a look .
YES i walked away mid sentence , you were boring me to death and my survival instincts kick in .
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May well be out of date materials which have passed their use by date.
I guess the idea is to allow practice. Those keen to become surgeons do often practice suturing in their own time when they are medical students.
Not sure how worth suturing would be in a crisis. Knowing when to suture and critically when not is a big decision. Doubly so with dirty wounds and battlefield injuries. IIRC Defence Medical Services often use "delayed primary suture" which is a technique where even if a wound need suturing they wait with the wound open for days to ensure they do not trap infection making a bad situation worse. ( There are a few ex DMS around so they may be able to confirm).All in all very complex. It is not just wielding a needle and thread.
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I guess the idea is to allow practice. Those keen to become surgeons do often practice suturing in their own time when they are medical students.
Not sure how worth suturing would be in a crisis. Knowing when to suture and critically when not is a big decision. Doubly so with dirty wounds and battlefield injuries. IIRC Defence Medical Services often use "delayed primary suture" which is a technique where even if a wound need suturing they wait with the wound open for days to ensure they do not trap infection making a bad situation worse. ( There are a few ex DMS around so they may be able to confirm).All in all very complex. It is not just wielding a needle and thread.
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birds&bees
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Self explanatory really, they don't meet the criteria for use on a human.
Perhaps they are not sufficiently sterilised (if at all).
Perhaps they are out of date or damaged.
Perhaps they are sterilised in a substance which is known or potentially harmful (or carcinogenic most often)
Perhaps the source of suture material is not sufficiently safe bovine sources from china (CJD)
Perhaps someone made it and never got it tested or certified safe.
Perhaps they are defective (not properly swaged, needle has jagged parts)
Perhaps they are perfectly fine but someone doesn't want the responsibility of someone harming themselves with them.
Looking at the page it looks like the final option is the most likely.
Perhaps they are not sufficiently sterilised (if at all).
Perhaps they are out of date or damaged.
Perhaps they are sterilised in a substance which is known or potentially harmful (or carcinogenic most often)
Perhaps the source of suture material is not sufficiently safe bovine sources from china (CJD)
Perhaps someone made it and never got it tested or certified safe.
Perhaps they are defective (not properly swaged, needle has jagged parts)
Perhaps they are perfectly fine but someone doesn't want the responsibility of someone harming themselves with them.
Looking at the page it looks like the final option is the most likely.
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As a possibility run a culture test in them for a few weeks and see what grows.
If they don't grow anything too dangerous try a litmus test to test for hazardous material
If they are all clean sonic bath them and use them. So long as packages area sealed with heat then they should remain sterile. Sonic bathing will penetrate most materials.
If they don't grow anything too dangerous try a litmus test to test for hazardous material
If they are all clean sonic bath them and use them. So long as packages area sealed with heat then they should remain sterile. Sonic bathing will penetrate most materials.
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Culture test wont detect prion and viruses (like hep c.) which are the primary concern of products imported from the orient. And a litmus test wont detect carcinogens which are the other concern in products from the orient primary directed at "non-human" use.Bubbles wrote:As a possibility run a culture test in them for a few weeks and see what grows.
If they don't grow anything too dangerous try a litmus test to test for hazardous material
If they are all clean sonic bath them and use them. So long as packages area sealed with heat then they should remain sterile. Sonic bathing will penetrate most materials.
