Hi guys
I am a newbie(though I have been reading and watching prepping material for a while) and a new member of the forum.
I know that you guys are more oriented to bug in, however, I would have a few problems to do so:
1) My wife is against to store preps because she does not believe a disaster can never happen and the government will be able to help us efficiently with no errors etc..etc..
2)Even If I was trying to store preps I would not have space for that.
I live in South London and I am aware that in such a crowded city it would be optimal to bug in. Due to my problems I was thinking to bag out in the South Downs(I live one hour by car from Box Hill). I love bushcraft and I will soon start some courses to learn and this will help me to bug out.
I do know that it is not allowed to camp or put on a fire in the wood/forest as most of the land is own by a trust or a private, but I was thinking that in a disaster scenario people would not go out to check if someone is camping in their woods. However I am open to suggestion
What do you people think is best to do in my case?
Bugging out if you live in London?
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Welcome. You say you are new to all this. The first bit of advice many here would give you is, don't panic. Build up your skills and supplies gently. The world ( probably 
) will not end tomorrow ! Your Wife you say, is not into prepping. Then NO way is she going to run away and live under a tarp on the Downs. My Wife wouldn't and nor would I. Look outta the window right now. Do you really fancy wild camping out there?
Many emergencies last a few days. Statistically 72 hours. So let's work around that. 3 days. Anyone can store enough food for three days. You know what you like to eat, so store that. Preferably stuff that will keep if the power goes off ( a likely situation).
Store some water. Supermarket bottled is fine.
A small camp stove and gas to heat/ cook/ make tea. You have pans in your kitchen.
A torch and batteries. A camping lantern is good too. Perhaps a wind up one.
An FM radio and batteries to stay in touch.
These few things will put you streets ahead of the game, and it will not freak your wife out. Just find a BBC article about power cuts and explain your concerns. Don't do the zombie invasion bit! Many preps you can find and improvise by looking at what you have around you.
) will not end tomorrow ! Your Wife you say, is not into prepping. Then NO way is she going to run away and live under a tarp on the Downs. My Wife wouldn't and nor would I. Look outta the window right now. Do you really fancy wild camping out there? Many emergencies last a few days. Statistically 72 hours. So let's work around that. 3 days. Anyone can store enough food for three days. You know what you like to eat, so store that. Preferably stuff that will keep if the power goes off ( a likely situation).
Store some water. Supermarket bottled is fine.
A small camp stove and gas to heat/ cook/ make tea. You have pans in your kitchen.
A torch and batteries. A camping lantern is good too. Perhaps a wind up one.
An FM radio and batteries to stay in touch.
These few things will put you streets ahead of the game, and it will not freak your wife out. Just find a BBC article about power cuts and explain your concerns. Don't do the zombie invasion bit! Many preps you can find and improvise by looking at what you have around you.
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Covid 19: After that level of weirdness ,any situation is certainly possible.
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metatron
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Bugging out is more of a house is on fire or being kicked out on the streets idea for me. Prepping could be opening a savings account for if shit happens and putting together a small bag of stuff if a dirty bomb goes off. The only time I'd see myself living in a tent would be if there were so many people displaced there was no other option.
Food and water storage can always wait until you have the space.
Food and water storage can always wait until you have the space.
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
I agree totally. That bag could contain stuff for an overnight hotel stay.metatron wrote:Bugging out is more of a house is on fire or being kicked out on the streets idea for me. Prepping could be opening a savings account for if shit happens and putting together a small bag of stuff if a dirty bomb goes off. The only time I'd see myself living in a tent would be if there were so many people displaced there was no other option.
Food and water storage can always wait until you have the space.
In three words I can sum up everything I have learned about life: It goes on.
Robert Frost.
Covid 19: After that level of weirdness ,any situation is certainly possible.
Me.
Robert Frost.
Covid 19: After that level of weirdness ,any situation is certainly possible.
Me.
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Eggborough Power Station could become 'emergency back-up'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-yo ... e-35070098
Here is an article that may help. The fact that the government thinks we may have power cuts is a concern.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-yo ... e-35070098
Here is an article that may help. The fact that the government thinks we may have power cuts is a concern.
In three words I can sum up everything I have learned about life: It goes on.
Robert Frost.
Covid 19: After that level of weirdness ,any situation is certainly possible.
Me.
Robert Frost.
Covid 19: After that level of weirdness ,any situation is certainly possible.
Me.
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Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Seems your Mrs is the same as mine and trusts the Govt to help her and others, well if that is the case just ask her to look at how the folks in Cumbria have been treated in the last few days/weeks the EA hd to rely on help from outsiders to help, so it does not sound like the Govt up there locally or national had any real plans in place.Gunrax wrote:My wife is against to store preps because she does not believe a disaster can never happen and the government will be able to help us efficiently with no errors etc..etc..
I live in a one bed flat myself and yes storage is tight but should be able to get some kind of foldable water storage, and dried food, even f it's just soup.Gunrax wrote:Even If I was trying to store preps I would not have space for that.
Sarf London hmm not the best place (like you in live in SE London myself).Gunrax wrote:I live in South London and I am aware that in such a crowded city it would be optimal to bug in. Due to my problems I was thinking to bag out in the South Downs(I live one hour by car from Box Hill). I love bushcraft and I will soon start some courses to learn and this will help me to bug out.
For me i'm here to learn more about my risk whch is the river thames flooding, but i have no idea what "Your issues" are and why you would need to get out but first worry would be traffic anything more then a couple of miles and i'd be worries about being kept in gridlock, I know "Wild camping" in England is illeagal but in a SHTF situation i guess rues could be bent/moved but i have no idea who would decde ths and on what land.
Knowing london like i do (i have been round S London for about 40 years) and traffic has become a joke , personally i'd like to know more about the situation where you think you'd have to get out, in my case i bought a motorbike as i only have to worry about the wife and I and ANY other transport would have just put me at a disadvantage by being stuck in traffic, even taking into consideration ratruns etc
All1
Please bear in mind i am prepping for the River Thames to flood and how i can get to safe ground, I'm not worried about the end of the world..... I'll die with the other Minions.
I can't trust Govt or local Council to help me so i have to help myself.
I can't trust Govt or local Council to help me so i have to help myself.
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Living in North London I've prepared (well always preparing) kit to bug in and out.
Like you it's just me and the Mrs so for bugging out I had to consider what would I like to take, how to be most comfortable and then can I/we carry it all.
The last part has to be at the front of your mind as if you have to go by foot are you really going to carry the 5 man tent you got for the extra roominess for an unknown period of time or distance?
For a starters I would think to use/get:
Small tent
Ponchos (the type with eyelets so you can use them as a basha if needed).
Candles/torch/lamp
Radio
Long storage life batteries
Matches/lighter
tinder/firestarter (like cottons balls and vaseline)
Water (or at least so sort of carrying container)
Food (even if it's only nuts and rasins)
Sleeping bags or blankets (think all season)
Dynamo or battery phone charger
Wet wipes (basic cleanliness)
Rucksack
Something I'm going to test out at some point is using those vacuum seal bags for a change of clothes/underwear/gloves/beenie hat etc and also maybe for the sleeping bag (long storage will not be so good for the sleeping bags mind)
This is where you can (and I have) got carried away as your list can grow and grow...then so does the weight
Another scenario could be to have a another smaller bag/storage already set in addition to the above so if you need to leave in an absolute hurry (zero time to pack eveything) this can contain you main clothes/boots etc. If you need to barefoot it in the middle of the night for instance in only your boxers and hair net you can still travel to a relatively safe and hopefully small distance then get your main gear on and continue on your way with the main bug out kit.
So you could say I've stated 2 bug out bags here.
1 main and 1 the most bare necesity which are clothes.
Like you it's just me and the Mrs so for bugging out I had to consider what would I like to take, how to be most comfortable and then can I/we carry it all.
The last part has to be at the front of your mind as if you have to go by foot are you really going to carry the 5 man tent you got for the extra roominess for an unknown period of time or distance?
For a starters I would think to use/get:
Small tent
Ponchos (the type with eyelets so you can use them as a basha if needed).
Candles/torch/lamp
Radio
Long storage life batteries
Matches/lighter
tinder/firestarter (like cottons balls and vaseline)
Water (or at least so sort of carrying container)
Food (even if it's only nuts and rasins)
Sleeping bags or blankets (think all season)
Dynamo or battery phone charger
Wet wipes (basic cleanliness)
Rucksack
Something I'm going to test out at some point is using those vacuum seal bags for a change of clothes/underwear/gloves/beenie hat etc and also maybe for the sleeping bag (long storage will not be so good for the sleeping bags mind)
This is where you can (and I have) got carried away as your list can grow and grow...then so does the weight
Another scenario could be to have a another smaller bag/storage already set in addition to the above so if you need to leave in an absolute hurry (zero time to pack eveything) this can contain you main clothes/boots etc. If you need to barefoot it in the middle of the night for instance in only your boxers and hair net you can still travel to a relatively safe and hopefully small distance then get your main gear on and continue on your way with the main bug out kit.
So you could say I've stated 2 bug out bags here.
1 main and 1 the most bare necesity which are clothes.
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Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Hi I can't give you much advise about bugging out but how about a caravan somewhere you could use it for holidays and as a bug out location also as a place to store your stuff.
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Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
Hello thank you for all your advices.
Sorry, I mistakenly wrote pretty much the same message in another post
The caravan would be a nice idea, however I decided I will hire a garage and use it as a prepping storage location as well as for other staff. I would bag in first and use the preps in the garage and If things go really bad I would bag out.
Sorry, I mistakenly wrote pretty much the same message in another post
The caravan would be a nice idea, however I decided I will hire a garage and use it as a prepping storage location as well as for other staff. I would bag in first and use the preps in the garage and If things go really bad I would bag out.
Re: Bugging out if you live in London?
1) My wife is against to store preps because she does not believe a disaster can never happen and the government will be able to help us efficiently with no errors etc..etc..
Gunrax, you don't have to store food for a major public disaster. Food storage is a way of life for us. We're not expecting armageddon, but we do expect rough weather, getting snowed in and being made redundant.
Loss of income is a killer and anything you have pre-purchased helps to soften the economic nightmare
Gunrax, you don't have to store food for a major public disaster. Food storage is a way of life for us. We're not expecting armageddon, but we do expect rough weather, getting snowed in and being made redundant.
Loss of income is a killer and anything you have pre-purchased helps to soften the economic nightmare
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