What Preps are you doing this week? Part 11
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Thanks All. I think I will get some more 5l shop bought once the shops manage to restock and also look to keep some tap water + Milton in the shed as backup too. I will keep thinking about the Berkefeld but hold off unless there is another outage.
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Yep, that'll stop transmission...... fecking Government.Yorkshire Andy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:15 am Let me out.. let me out!!!
Avian flu housing order comes in tomorrow for our area and many more so that's another job done


Bird flu, also known as avian influenza, is spread between birds through:
Direct contact
Birds can spread the virus through direct contact with infected saliva, nasal secretions, or droppings.
Indirect contact
Birds can spread the virus through contact with contaminated objects, feed, or water.
Two is one and one is none, but three is even better.
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pseudonym wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 5:16 amYep, that'll stop transmission...... fecking Government.Yorkshire Andy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:15 am Let me out.. let me out!!!
Avian flu housing order comes in tomorrow for our area and many more so that's another job done![]()
Bird flu, also known as avian influenza, is spread between birds through:
Direct contact
Birds can spread the virus through direct contact with infected saliva, nasal secretions, or droppings.
Indirect contact
Birds can spread the virus through contact with contaminated objects, feed, or water.
Yep but on a council allotment so have to play the game the allotment officer got very very upset the other year when I refused access to the allotment so they could check my coup / birds ....
Have you been on other allotments this morning checking the coups / birds ?
Yes
Have you got a pair of disposable overalls And over boots or wellingtons we can. Disinfect?
No
Well DEFRA (at the time) say I've a duty to minimise none essential contact with my birds you've no clean clothing and might have pathogen on your shoes / clothing.... Your not going on my allotment come back with the correct clean PPE and we can try again
As you can imagine it went down like the Titanic but they never came back

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Yorkshire Andy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:38 am Yep but on a council allotment so have to play the game the allotment officer got very very upset the other year when I refused access to the allotment so they could check my coup / birds ....
Have you been on other allotments this morning checking the coups / birds ?
Yes
Have you got a pair of disposable overalls And over boots or wellingtons we can. Disinfect?
No
Well DEFRA (at the time) say I've a duty to minimise none essential contact with my birds you've no clean clothing and might have pathogen on your shoes / clothing.... Your not going on my allotment come back with the correct clean PPE and we can try again
As you can imagine it went down like the Titanic but they never came back![]()

That's exactly what I mean, Government overreach and the "rules for thee and not for me" attitude.
Two is one and one is none, but three is even better.
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Totally agree. Loving your responses, Andypseudonym wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:39 amYorkshire Andy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:38 amWell DEFRA (at the time) say I've a duty to minimise none essential contact with my birds you've no clean clothing and might have pathogen on your shoes / clothing.... Your not going on my allotment come back with the correct clean PPE and we can try again
As you can imagine it went down like the Titanic but they never came back![]()
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That's exactly what I mean, Government overreach and the "rules for thee and not for me" attitude.

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Yep. It's called pasteurisation. I think if you bring it to the boil, that's plenty, no need to boil for minutes. Water pasteurises almost instantaneously at 100°. You can do it at lower temperatures, for longer times. Obviously it takes time to boil water, and for it to cool down. Every minute it's above 65° counts and part of the pasteurisation process.
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The thing is, everyone knows what boiling looks like, I think I know what 65C is but I can't swear to it.Frnc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:24 pmYep. It's called pasteurisation. I think if you bring it to the boil, that's plenty, no need to boil for minutes. Water pasteurises almost instantaneously at 100°. You can do it at lower temperatures, for longer times. Obviously it takes time to boil water, and for it to cool down. Every minute it's above 65° counts and part of the pasteurisation process.
Hit a rolling boil and make tea like a proper Brit

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I’ve just seen your reply, Andy, thanks that’s something I could definitely look into …Yorkshire Andy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:18 pmmcprepper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:16 pm Quite a relevant post for us as we’re not on mains gas and have frequent power cuts.
Cooker is electric oven and gas hob - we have 3 large bottles of propane gas at any one time - lasts ages! We’re on oil central heating so always top up when it gets to half full (though to be honest it’s so expensive that we avoid turning it on - just once a day to keep everything ticking over).
We have two wood burners so we keep a hefty supply of logs and grab any deadwood when we’re out and about. We burn primarily hardwood - oak, beech & ash.
We have a variety of lanterns, head torches, solar/wind up torches etc and enough ikea candles to light up most of the rest of the Lake District.![]()
The one thing we don’t store is fuel for our cars - one petrol and one diesel- we always keep them topped up between 3/4 and full but have never really gone down the road of storing fuel - not sure why really …
If you've got a big kerro tank (heating oil). Id look into a Chinese diesel heater or two. They run of a 12v battery and sip fuel the bigger units give out 5kw of heat run on about half a litre of fuel per hour on max power probably more economical than running the oil heater to keep the house warm few installation options but they belt some heat out
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If I remember right 60C is the point at which water gets too hot to keep a finger in it for more than a quick count of ten.
My SIL spent time in Africa in her younger days and told of a local woman who was unable to breastfeed her newborn after a traumatic birth. The woman had had zero schooling and needed to be taught a simple method to prepare the formula consistently. Just bringing the water to boiling point briefly was not considered adequare by the health team.The solution was to bring the water to the boil and keep it there for the time needed to sing all verses of a specific well known song as that took the correct amount of time.
My SIL spent time in Africa in her younger days and told of a local woman who was unable to breastfeed her newborn after a traumatic birth. The woman had had zero schooling and needed to be taught a simple method to prepare the formula consistently. Just bringing the water to boiling point briefly was not considered adequare by the health team.The solution was to bring the water to the boil and keep it there for the time needed to sing all verses of a specific well known song as that took the correct amount of time.
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Been trying to find something definitive, and the recomendations vary enormously. I just read something which reminded me of something I've been thinking about recently - water that's been kept warm for a length of time could develop Legionella. It develops at 25-43°C and can survive 55-60°. Therefore cold water needs to be kept below 25 and hot water above 60. Legionella can grow in 2 weeks, so it won't grow in water that was boiled a few hours ago.
So, if we have a hot spell in summer, it might be a good idea to swap out your stored water.
MECS, a charity, recommend a rolling boil of one minute to kill E.coli. Sawyer Micros remove 99.99999% of E.coli. See link below.
Fluctuations in temperature can encourage not only Legionella but also nontuberculous mycobacteria (NTM), pseudomonas and others.
https://mecs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/ ... -V1.0-.pdf
So, if we have a hot spell in summer, it might be a good idea to swap out your stored water.
MECS, a charity, recommend a rolling boil of one minute to kill E.coli. Sawyer Micros remove 99.99999% of E.coli. See link below.
Fluctuations in temperature can encourage not only Legionella but also nontuberculous mycobacteria (NTM), pseudomonas and others.
https://mecs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/ ... -V1.0-.pdf