In case we must bug out and I have a large garden and mates with farms also looking into maybe a stealth camper?
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What's the crack with the fall out shelter law?
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preppingsu
Re: What's the crack with the fall out shelter law?
Please explain a little bit more about what you are asking so that we can answer your questions as best we can. 
Re: What's the crack with the fall out shelter law?
By fall out shelter i take it you mean bunker.
It would require planning permission unless it is removable/tempory.
you could prob get away with a metal construction the size of a shipping container that could be removed. you would have to use a chemical toilet as a septic tank requires planning permission.
lets face it if you apply for permission everyone will know you have a bunker so not a good idea.
have a look at deap earth web site to get an idea of how heavy duty it needs to be unless you use concreate. going underground is expensive.
It would require planning permission unless it is removable/tempory.
you could prob get away with a metal construction the size of a shipping container that could be removed. you would have to use a chemical toilet as a septic tank requires planning permission.
lets face it if you apply for permission everyone will know you have a bunker so not a good idea.
have a look at deap earth web site to get an idea of how heavy duty it needs to be unless you use concreate. going underground is expensive.
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Partimehero
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Re: What's the crack with the fall out shelter law?
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I've dealt with numerous local authorities and the definitive answer to your question about planning permission is that NOBODY IN AUTHORITY CAN GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER!
Sounds strange but it's a grey area. With regard to building regs, protective shelters are exempt from building control if they meet certain criteria:
EXEMPT BUILDINGS AND WORK
CLASS VI
Small detached buildings
1. A detached single storey building, having a floor area which does not exceed 30m2, which contains no sleeping accommodation and is a building—
(a)no point of which is less than one metre from the boundary of its curtilage; or
(b)which is constructed substantially of non-combustible material.
2. A detached building designed and intended to shelter people from the effects of nuclear, chemical or conventional weapons, and not used for any other purpose, if—
(a)its floor area does not exceed 30m2; and
(b)the excavation for the building is no closer to any exposed part of another building or structure than a distance equal to the depth of the excavation plus one metre.
3. A detached building, having a floor area which does not exceed 15m2, which contains no sleeping accommodation.
BUT with regards to planning permission ALWAYS assume it's required. What you want to install is definitely in the grey area I mentioned. It all depends on the area you're in, the local authority you fall under and who deals with your planning submission I'm afraid. If you get a nice person dealing with it then you're lucky. At the end of the day each planning submission will be judged on its own merit.
As a shelter would be underground, It wouldn't impact the local environment once completed. But as an excavation of some kind is involved, it's classed as a development. One planning officer may approve another may not. I've had more successful applications than failed thankfully.
But WITHOUT putting ideas into your head, just remember that once you apply for planning, the submission (including your name, address, proposed works, where the works will be blah blah blah) will be in the public domain. Everyone will know what you're proposing..... Is your land hidden?
I've dealt with numerous local authorities and the definitive answer to your question about planning permission is that NOBODY IN AUTHORITY CAN GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER!
Sounds strange but it's a grey area. With regard to building regs, protective shelters are exempt from building control if they meet certain criteria:
EXEMPT BUILDINGS AND WORK
CLASS VI
Small detached buildings
1. A detached single storey building, having a floor area which does not exceed 30m2, which contains no sleeping accommodation and is a building—
(a)no point of which is less than one metre from the boundary of its curtilage; or
(b)which is constructed substantially of non-combustible material.
2. A detached building designed and intended to shelter people from the effects of nuclear, chemical or conventional weapons, and not used for any other purpose, if—
(a)its floor area does not exceed 30m2; and
(b)the excavation for the building is no closer to any exposed part of another building or structure than a distance equal to the depth of the excavation plus one metre.
3. A detached building, having a floor area which does not exceed 15m2, which contains no sleeping accommodation.
BUT with regards to planning permission ALWAYS assume it's required. What you want to install is definitely in the grey area I mentioned. It all depends on the area you're in, the local authority you fall under and who deals with your planning submission I'm afraid. If you get a nice person dealing with it then you're lucky. At the end of the day each planning submission will be judged on its own merit.
As a shelter would be underground, It wouldn't impact the local environment once completed. But as an excavation of some kind is involved, it's classed as a development. One planning officer may approve another may not. I've had more successful applications than failed thankfully.
But WITHOUT putting ideas into your head, just remember that once you apply for planning, the submission (including your name, address, proposed works, where the works will be blah blah blah) will be in the public domain. Everyone will know what you're proposing..... Is your land hidden?
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