Overpopulation with climate change

[lonewolf]

I doubt that very much, wife was living with inlaws not very far from this property-which is why we know about it- long before you were born Devonian, so keep yer cotton picking claws off, buddy! :lol:actually its just up the road from a woodland wife owns, trouble is it was given by word of mouth and that person/relative is now deceased and we have no paper title to the land, but the woodland is unused so this might be a good place to hide a few caches, post SHTF no body is going to be wondering about land titles.

[Briggs]

Anyway, Mr LW, you mentioned BOLs. Forgive me for being inquisitive but are these BOLs your own or are they properties you reckon are uninhabited and could be used as a temp to medium term base? If that's the case, how do you prep to have water, sanitation, food and heat there?

As J23 commented, are you prepared to use force to take or defend the BOL(s) you've got planned?

Briggs.

nosy so and so aren't you? as your from my hometown i'll let you off! our principal BOL is an old deserted (hasn't been lived in for 12 years) rural house, its only 8 miles from where we live and we keep a regular eye on it, its far out into the countryside down an old farm lane, nobody uses it except for the postie and the old tractor. large rooms, walk in pantry, large fireplace and working chimney, septic tank, lots of trees back of and belonging to the property, overgrown so could do with some thinning hence firewood, at the moment mains water is connected but there is a water source nearby which of course I will be filtering for any harmful little nasties. as it is unoccupied no need to use force we can just walk in, as for defending it I reckon to block off the access road, its over a mile from any other (minor) road.

I think you're possibly mixing me up with someone else from your hometown. I live in a woodland.

[lonewolf]

I think you're possibly mixing me up with someone else from your hometown. I live in a woodland.

good for you.

[tigger159]

For me there will always be a few fundamentals in life....there's a few things you just can't make any more of -
Land
Water
Air
Time
So, top tip from me is if your gonna invest money you do it in a finite resource (precious metals, oil, gas are others). Simple math says that you if you continue to increase the usage of these (or reduce their availability) then that situation reaches a tipping point which simply isn't sustainable (I think we're already past it & are so seeing the symptoms).....
For me the driver for prepping is driven by this, I can only guess at the symptom we will have to deal with ultimately but again, simple reasoning says that all you have to do is out-live the masses (All this is similar to the 3 elements you need for fire) remove one of the elements, like population reduction....it's the easiest one to impact - then life becomes sustainable again, in fact natural resources (wildlife) will also recover sooner.
Simples!

[rik_uk3]

For me there will always be a few fundamentals in life....there's a few things you just can't make any more of -
Land
Water
Air
Time
So, top tip from me is if your gonna invest money you do it in a finite resource (precious metals, oil, gas are others). Simple math says that you if you continue to increase the usage of these (or reduce their availability) then that situation reaches a tipping point which simply isn't sustainable (I think we're already past it & are so seeing the symptoms).....
For me the driver for prepping is driven by this, I can only guess at the symptom we will have to deal with ultimately but again, simple reasoning says that all you have to do is out-live the masses (All this is similar to the 3 elements you need for fire) remove one of the elements, like population reduction....it's the easiest one to impact - then life becomes sustainable again, in fact natural resources (wildlife) will also recover sooner.
Simples!

Any tips you'd care to share on surviving a mass death and or out live the masses lol, I can't follow your simple reasoning lol. What have been the trends in precious metal prices over the last two or three years? Up or down? If the 'big kill' comes, what is more valuable, a sack of rice or chunk of gold? In WW2 the 'price' of gold fell through the floor for lots of people in Europe when trying to escape Nazi Germany, including some of my family members who were told their gold and silver was worth maybe 10% of its 'true' value. If it hit the fan big time what do you fancy, hugging some precious metal or a bowl of rice?

[lonewolf]

I've never adhered to this philosophy of buying gold/silver for post Collapse, always thought "you cant eat gold" and finding someone who wants to swap their food supplies in that situation for a chunk of gold is going to be a waste of time.

[Patchman878]

Reading previous posts, I agree that humans have no natural control, no true predator, other than ourselves. In the past, the most populated areas of the world were in a constant state or war. 100 Years War, Thirty Years War, Napleonic Wars, etc. back then populations were culled by being cannon fodder. Not nice, but it kept the numbers in check. The population curve for the world historical timeline is very low, in the 10's of milions, until the industrial revolution, then it skyrockets to our current level.

So, today, as was mentioned by Lonewolf, people consider kids a right, regardless of the effect on overpopulation. We in the 'civilised' world seek to help out in all famine areas and to cure all diseases. Very laudable. But, without population control the mathematical end result is catastrophic failure of the ecosystem (Global Warming, world famine, etc.) potentially, we all die. There are millions of people wanting to get to Europe from chaotic Africa. As it stands, many will end up here. Millions more come from Eastern Europe, UK infrastructure will not survive.

I think this will be the SHTF event for us. Beginning next year when the EU make us shut down coal fired power stations and our capacity will fall below demand. Did anyone see The docudrama Blackout?

[lonewolf]

exactly Patchman, wait for the lights to go out and all the sheeple to start panicking, course none of them have the sense to buy a torch or a lantern have they? no "TPTB will provide!"

[redskies]

So, today, as was mentioned by Lonewolf, people consider kids a right, regardless of the effect on overpopulation. We in the 'civilised' world seek to help out in all famine areas and to cure all diseases. Very laudable. But, without population control the mathematical end result is catastrophic failure of the ecosystem (Global Warming, world famine, etc.) potentially, we all die. There are millions of people wanting to get to Europe from chaotic Africa. As it stands, many will end up here. Millions more come from Eastern Europe, UK infrastructure will not survive.

It's unfortunate, but in Ethopia, the only real result of western 'aid' is the trebling of the population since the 80's, when live aid became the big 'thing' and no one really understood the consequences of throwing billions into the black hole that is Africa. And, sadly, a great deal of that population still relies on aid to survive.

[grenfell]

So, today, as was mentioned by Lonewolf, people consider kids a right, regardless of the effect on overpopulation. We in the 'civilised' world seek to help out in all famine areas and to cure all diseases. Very laudable. But, without population control the mathematical end result is catastrophic failure of the ecosystem (Global Warming, world famine, etc.) potentially, we all die. There are millions of people wanting to get to Europe from chaotic Africa. As it stands, many will end up here. Millions more come from Eastern Europe, UK infrastructure will not survive.

It's unfortunate, but in Ethopia, the only real result of western 'aid' is the trebling of the population since the 80's, when live aid became the big 'thing' and no one really understood the consequences of throwing billions into the black hole that is Africa. And, sadly, a great deal of that population still relies on aid to survive.

Proves that the limiting factor in population growth is resources , and more specifically energy resources.
Ethiopia had limited resources of food and charity has increased those resources resulting in population growth.
However, as we know resources and energy are getting harder to extract and scarcer . We can try to use less but ultimately demand destruction will fail and supply destruction will doom a lot of mankind.