group survival?

[iSkynet]

whats the population of London now? 7-8million? if there isn't a large die-off then that's a lot of competition for resources post SHTF!! maybe in a situation like that a group would be your best chance of survival, in fact probably your only hope of survival given the numbers. I live in a rural location, very low population numbers, so I don't have to worry too much about meeting other people.

It was 7m in 2005. I'd double that for now. As I said cities are death trap and should be left asap. But even in somewhere remote location small group is more preferable. Why do you think ancient people lived in tribes and villages? Imagine 10 people like you live 20 milles away from each other and meet once a year or so on hunt. What is the future of this group? And another group of 10 live in a small village. Who has bigger chances in long term survival?

[lonewolf]

As I said cities are death trap and should be left asap. But even in somewhere remote location small group is more preferable. Why do you think ancient people lived in tribes and villages? Imagine 10 people like you live 20 milles away from each other and meet once a year or so on hunt. What is the future of this group? And another group of 10 live in a small village. Who has bigger chances in long term survival?

I agree with you about cities, that's why I left a smaller city 15 years ago. maybe small settlements will evolve post SHTF but I see that as a long way down the line once the dust has settled and things calm down.

[featherstick]

I would expect someone who lives in London to have that opinion, after all you are surrounded by people every day, but some of us are individualists and can happily live without having people around us. as for broken bones and the like, how many times have you broken a bone? I have broken my arm once and sprained an ankle twice in my whole long life, just take extra care and you'll be fine.

As I said all depends on personal goals.

About me living in London... I didn't live here all my life. And we (former USSR countries) have gone through country collapse in 1991 when all system just dissapeared over a night together with government and money.

So for someone SHTF is just going through same things all over again.

I wouldn't judge person only by the town where he lives.

iSkynet - it would be really interesting to hear your experience of the USSR collapse, lessons learnt, experience shared.

[cpslashm]

Some things can be much easier in a group.
Like developing specialist expertise.
Or raising kids.

[lonewolf]

Some things can be much easier in a group.
Like developing specialist expertise.
Or raising kids.

what if you don't want either?

[cpslashm]

what if you don't want either?

Accept that others are better off in groups, then live on your own!

[iSkynet]

iSkynet - it would be really interesting to hear your experience of the USSR collapse, lessons learnt, experience shared.

If in short then people escaped to villages as gardens became only source of food. People used barter exchange. No mention gangs. I've seen people looking for food in waste skips.

[lonewolf]

what if you don't want either?

Accept that others are better off in groups, then live on your own!

that's what I've been saying

[ForgeCorvus]

what if you don't want either?

Accept that others are better off in groups, then live on your own!

that's what I've been saying

Even hermits need to know where the village is..... Even if they don't live there.

Otherwise what do you do when you need something you can't make or scav ?

[grenfell]

I am prepping for primarily for a world wide finacial collapse
has anyone ever considered grouping uip/meeting up when TSHTF
it is survival of the fittest
but when you have a group of people all geared up and ready to survive it raise the odds even higher!

just a thought and i understand you need to trust, meet and develop strong relationships with people

If you're prepping for a financial collapse ( which in all honesty is one of the more likely scenarios ) then forming a group when TSHTF is frankly going to be far too late. With such a collapse food will become hugely important , probably the most important thing so it is important to start growing , preserving and such now . Could a group of preppers all get together in some sort of commune to ride out the storm? Maybe , maybe not. However, don't totally disregard those already living next door and over the road. History has shown that communities do "come together" in bad times. This will of course happen quicker in rural or semi rural locations but will eventually happen even in big cities. Yes , as someone will say , there will be rioting , history has shown us that too. Most riots and demonstrations are because of rising prices , austerity and the like but people don't riot for ever , they eventually realise that all the demonstrating and regime changes don't change the economic situation that much so they have little option but to accept it , work with it or migrate.