group survival?

[lonewolf]

Even hermits need to know where the village is..... Even if they don't live there.

Otherwise what do you do when you need something you can't make or scav ?

learn to live without it! I would need to know where the settlements are just so I could avoid them, this is where scouting and knowing who is in my area would pay dividends.

[rik_uk3]

Do you really believe you could survive long term, on your own, in your area and at your age? Have you tried living off the land for a few days in summer ? Winter? You'd not last a year after your food stocks ran out; you'd starve to death or die from illness because of your malnourished condition. This not only applies to you but to most people trying solo survival.

You really do need to have help, whether its one person or a group.

Try and be more realistic and don't encourage newer members down a path to failure

[lonewolf]

Do you really believe you could survive long term, on your own, in your area and at your age? Have you tried living off the land for a few days in summer ? Winter? You'd not last a year after your food stocks ran out; you'd starve to death or die from illness because of your malnourished condition. This not only applies to you but to most people trying solo survival.

You really do need to have help, whether its one person or a group.

Try and be more realistic and don't encourage newer members down a path to failure

yes, yes and yes, do you really think a stock of food is my one and ONLY plan? if you do you are sadly mistaken. I am not trying to encourage anyone to emulate me, far from it, everyone must find their own path, I don't want anyone to "do as I do", I'm an individual, a loner, my way is not for everyone, maybe not for anyone else, its just my way, I really do not want other people around me, as Greta Garbo once said "I vant to be alone"!! I'm just saying groups are not necessarily for everyone, and just cos someone is on their own(for whatever reason) we shouldn't be telling them "you cant survive alone".

[rik_uk3]

Do you really believe you could survive long term, on your own, in your area and at your age? Have you tried living off the land for a few days in summer ? Winter? You'd not last a year after your food stocks ran out; you'd starve to death or die from illness because of your malnourished condition. This not only applies to you but to most people trying solo survival.

You really do need to have help, whether its one person or a group.

Try and be more realistic and don't encourage newer members down a path to failure

yes, yes and yes, do you really think a stock of food is my one and ONLY plan? if you do you are sadly mistaken. I am not trying to encourage anyone to emulate me, far from it, everyone must find their own path, I don't want anyone to "do as I do", I'm an individual, a loner, my way is not for everyone, maybe not for anyone else, its just my way, I really do not want other people around me, as Greta Garbo once said "I vant to be alone"!! I'm just saying groups are not necessarily for everyone, and just cos someone is on their own(for whatever reason) we shouldn't be telling them "you cant survive alone".

How long were your camps? What time of year? What kit? What food did you take? What food did you forage? How much weight did you loose?

On the Journeyman course we asked Ray Mears if he could survive a full year in the UK living off the land/river/sea and his reply was "It would be extremely difficult for me to do alone" Long term Paul there are simply not enough hours in the day to do all you need to survive long term alone. Somewhere along the line you will need help/support from others...simple as that.

I've got rifles, shotguns, a crossbow and could go and kill a lamb I suppose (there are thousands near me) but then alone I'd need to preserve it (smoking) before it went bad or just waste the meat and kill another. I could shoot rabbits but as you know a high protein diet is not healthy so I'd need to source carbs/fat et al. Come winter finding dry wood would get more and more difficult if you were in a set camp, you'd need to travel that bit further each day to source wood.

Care to give a rough daily timetable on your survival?

Three members here plus you coming to the winter camp

[Devonian]

Do you really believe you could survive long term, on your own, in your area and at your age? Have you tried living off the land for a few days in summer ? Winter? You'd not last a year after your food stocks ran out; you'd starve to death or die from illness because of your malnourished condition. This not only applies to you but to most people trying solo survival.

You really do need to have help, whether its one person or a group.

Try and be more realistic and don't encourage newer members down a path to failure

And why do you feel that a group can survive living of the land more easily than a loner or those going solo can?

With a group you are going to have to find/scavenge much much more food than a loner would ever need to survive on. For example a loner could snare a rabbit or kill a pigeon which together with other leafy edible weeds could be sufficient for several days, whereas with a group, a pigeon for example would not even be enough for a single day! So a group is going to need to hunt several birds/mammals everyday just to survive, whereas a loner or those going solo could survive on say just one rabbit and one pigeon a week, plus other edible weeds etc which is far more achievable.

Yes there are those that simply could not cope with either the solitude or have the ability to hunt/gather their own food and who would therefore need to rely on others, but there are others who can do this and in such cases these loners will probably survive far better than the poorly trained/equipped groups who have so many others depending on the more able members to feed and protect them......

Guess which situation I'd prefer to be in!

[iSkynet]

This argument can be endless. I do not deny advantages of more prepared group, but there are also disadvantages. You will hardly deny that single survival have pros and cons.

But in long term (couple of months) loners will lose.

[lonewolf]

But in long term (couple of months) loners will lose.

says you!!

[lonewolf]

With a group you are going to have to find/scavenge much much more food than a loner would ever need to survive on. For example a loner could snare a rabbit or kill a pigeon which together with other leafy edible weeds could be sufficient for several days, whereas with a group, a pigeon for example would not even be enough for a single day! So a group is going to need to hunt several birds/mammals everyday just to survive, whereas a loner or those going solo could survive on say just one rabbit and one pigeon a week, plus other edible weeds etc which is far more achievable.

Yes there are those that simply could not cope with either the solitude or have the ability to hunt/gather their own food and who would therefore need to rely on others, but there are others who can do this and in such cases these loners will probably survive far better than the poorly trained/equipped groups who have so many others depending on the more able members to feed and protect them......

Guess which situation I'd prefer to be in!

exactly and long term any survivor (either alone or in group) is not simply going to be surviving by hunter/gathering, that's just a short term measure-along with their store of tinned and dried food- to get over the interim period until "the dust settles".

[iSkynet]

exactly and long term any survivor (either alone or in group) is not simply going to be surviving by hunter/gathering, that's just a short term measure-along with their store of tinned and dried food- to get over the interim period until "the dust settles".

So your plan is to live on your own on tinned food until "the dust settles" and then join some group? That's funny

[lonewolf]

exactly and long term any survivor (either alone or in group) is not simply going to be surviving by hunter/gathering, that's just a short term measure-along with their store of tinned and dried food- to get over the interim period until "the dust settles".

So your plan is to live on your own on tinned food until "the dust settles" and then join some group? That's funny

at no time did I say " I will join a group"....that is NOT(repeat not) my intention. and anyone who thinks they are going to join a group post SHTF(when that group has got through SHTF and survived together) by just going up to them and saying " coo'ee.. I want to join!" will probably get the business end of a shotgun pointed in their face.