group survival?

[iSkynet]

at no time did I say " I will join a group"....that is NOT(repeat not) my intention.

So what's your long term plan then? I can assure you that with population of 50m on this small island you won't find a rabbit very shortly after SHTF.

[lonewolf]

you really don't know do you ?, you just haven't got a clue! your on a prepper/survival site but you haven't got the faintest idea what survivalism is about, you think people are just going to go into the woods and "live off the land" and that's it, is it?? if everyone thinks like that the die-off is going to be enormous!!!!! I think you need to do some more research. if everyone that is joining groups thinks like that I'm better off on my own anyway.

[lonewolf]

I can assure you that with population of 50m on this small island you won't find a rabbit very shortly after SHTF.

even in that you are way off, the population of the UK in 2014 is 63 million not 50!! (to be precise the population in 2014 is: 63,896,071).

[iSkynet]

you really don't know do you ?, you just haven't got a clue! your on a prepper/survival site but you haven't got the faintest idea what survivalism is about, you think people are just going to go into the woods and "live off the land" and that's it, is it??

This is how you sound like in your single surviving fantasy.

if everyone thinks like that the die-off is going to be enormous!!!!! I think you need to do some more research. if everyone that is joining groups thinks like that I'm better off on my own anyway.

I think if you react like that in conversation then really any group would be better without you.
But please don't advise to anyone to go survive on their own.This road leads to nowhere.

I hate living with neighbours around me, they annoy and infuriate me, if I had the money(I don't) I would be living in a remote, isolated area

IMHO You missing some very important skills for survival that you should work on - social skills.

[Devonian]

It always amazes me how some people see groups as being the only option and then when others say no way I'm going it alone, they just seem to loose all rationale.

Maybe they too don't really want to be in their group either and know that they will have to work more than twice as hard to carry others who won't be pulling their own weight!

Also being alone doesn't mean you will not have contact with others.

[lonewolf]

just because one or two people don't believe going it alone is possible, dosent mean it isn't doable, that depends on the person, some of us are better off on our own and prefer it that way, its just the way we are made. in any case, that is our business, what is it to anyone else??

[rik_uk3]

Do you really believe you could survive long term, on your own, in your area and at your age? Have you tried living off the land for a few days in summer ? Winter? You'd not last a year after your food stocks ran out; you'd starve to death or die from illness because of your malnourished condition. This not only applies to you but to most people trying solo survival.

You really do need to have help, whether its one person or a group.

Try and be more realistic and don't encourage newer members down a path to failure

And why do you feel that a group can survive living of the land more easily than a loner or those going solo can?

With a group you are going to have to find/scavenge much much more food than a loner would ever need to survive on. For example a loner could snare a rabbit or kill a pigeon which together with other leafy edible weeds could be sufficient for several days, whereas with a group, a pigeon for example would not even be enough for a single day! So a group is going to need to hunt several birds/mammals everyday just to survive, whereas a loner or those going solo could survive on say just one rabbit and one pigeon a week, plus other edible weeds etc which is far more achievable.

Yes there are those that simply could not cope with either the solitude or have the ability to hunt/gather their own food and who would therefore need to rely on others, but there are others who can do this and in such cases these loners will probably survive far better than the poorly trained/equipped groups who have so many others depending on the more able members to feed and protect them......

Guess which situation I'd prefer to be in!

A rabbit and some greens won't do you much good, you'll be loosing weight from day one, I presume you know about high protein diets/"rabbit starvartion" et al.

A group will give a classic division of labour, some hunt, some prep food, gather wood/fuel etc. I'm not talking about poorly trained groups or 'Walters' who think they can do it...they'll sink quick enough in the real world. This is a prepper site so lets stick with preppers and not slagging off the untrained.

[lonewolf]

I say again: just because one or two people don't believe going it alone is possible, dosent mean it isn't doable, that depends on the person, some of us are better off on our own and prefer it that way, its just the way we are made. in any case, that is our business, what is it to anyone else??

[Devonian]

[quote="rik_uk3]
A rabbit and some greens won't do you much good, you'll be loosing weight from day one, I presume you know about high protein diets/"rabbit starvartion" et al.

A group will give a classic division of labour, some hunt, some prep food, gather wood/fuel etc. I'm not talking about poorly trained groups or 'Walters' who think they can do it...they'll sink quick enough in the real world. This is a prepper site so lets stick with preppers and not slagging off the untrained.[/quote]



Yes I'm well aware of rabbit starvation etc, but the principal regarding hunting and gathering food, until you are at a stage to be more self sufficient applies to whatever quarry you are targeting.

Yes a group of skilled individuals is great, but how realistic is that? How many of that group intend to bring along their extended families; inlaws; neighbours; children etc etc

What was planned as being a great group is now just your average group with those who can and those who can't; and don't ever forget those who simply won't! Plus the discussions and arguments etc etc ....

So yes there are disadvantages to being in a group.

[lonewolf]

how many in this theoretical group will have skills and experience of survival (yes I know your group are all experienced RIK but I'm talking of the average group) and how many will be hangers on and don't knows....their just along cos they haven't got any other option, it was either join the group or starve.