group survival?

[lonewolf]

that's a good post Vespa, but unfortunately I believe the human race, especially the western and westernized part, has come too far technology wise for most to revert to any kind of hunter/gatherer lifestyle, most people are too welded to their computers, Xboxes, Ipads, mobile phones, tablets, kindles and the like and would not know how to manage without them(I believe they will go into screaming panic without them), apart from a few bushcrafters, allotmenteers and scouts, most people haven't a clue how the countryside and nature works, there are people out there that don't even know the tide goes in and out twice a day! so the die off when it comes will be huge, a surge in the suicide rate(many people will not want to live without their modern lifestyle anyway) will make the survival rate even smaller. only people who have prepared and have skills and knowledge(just a limited amount will give them the edge over everyone else)will have even a chance of survival.

[Vespa]

that's a good post Vespa, but unfortunately I believe the human race, especially the western and westernized part, has come too far technology wise for most to revert to any kind of hunter/gatherer lifestyle, most people are too welded to their computers, Xboxes, Ipads, mobile phones, tablets, kindles and the like and would not know how to manage without them(I believe they will go into screaming panic without them), apart from a few bushcrafters, allotmenteers and scouts, most people haven't a clue how the countryside and nature works, there are people out there that don't even know the tide goes in and out twice a day! so the die off when it comes will be huge, a surge in the suicide rate(many people will not want to live without their modern lifestyle anyway) will make the survival rate even smaller. only people who have prepared and have skills and knowledge(just a limited amount will give them the edge over everyone else)will have even a chance of survival.

'Tis true the transition from one to the other would be traumatic.

I actually agree with with much of the above, it seems to me that you are describing the transition period from what we have today, a stable (ish) technologically based but precariously perched society that could easily fall, to another stable but less technologically based and perhaps more robust society.

Regardless of how bad the transition from one to the other, and leaving aside the argument as to which survival strategy is best (groups or individuals) if the lights world wide went out tomorrow and never came back on how long do you anticipate this die off or transition period to be and do you have an idea or opinion of how many people would survive to reach the newer stable society?

I'm interested in hear every ones opinion btw.

[iSkynet]

Regardless of how bad the transition from one to the other, and leaving aside the argument as to which survival strategy is best (groups or individuals) if the lights world wide went out tomorrow and never came back on how long do you anticipate this die off or transition period to be and do you have an idea or opinion of how many people would survive to reach the newer stable society?

I'm interested in hear every ones opinion btw.

You'd better tell what kind of SHTF you have in mind. It can last from couple of weeks to couple of decades.

[lonewolf]

'Tis true the transition from one to the other would be traumatic.

I actually agree with with much of the above, it seems to me that you are describing the transition period from what we have today, a stable (ish) technologically based but precariously perched society that could easily fall, to another stable but less technologically based and perhaps more robust society.

Regardless of how bad the transition from one to the other, and leaving aside the argument as to which survival strategy is best (groups or individuals) if the lights world wide went out tomorrow and never came back on how long do you anticipate this die off or transition period to be and do you have an idea or opinion of how many people would survive to reach the newer stable society?

I'm interested in hear every ones opinion btw.

I have discussed this with a friend of mine many times( another prepper, same age as me) and we have come to the conclusion that the survival rate would be 5-10% and the die off would happen fairly rapidly over a possibly 6-9 month maximum period(possibly less).

[Vespa]

The kind of SHTF where the lights go out and don't come on again and therefor nothing works.

[lonewolf]

The kind of SHTF where the lights go out and don't come on again and therefor nothing works.

also known as 2015!!

[Briggs 2.0]

Group survival....if you want an idea of a group in action, check this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10069#p109366

[lonewolf]

forget groups (unless its a family one), post collapse it will be, hunker down, keep quiet and every man(person) for themselves, until the dust settles.

[iSkynet]

A group of people can do more than one: more stock, easier to defend. And while being alone you can simply go crazy. Everyone in the group can be useful even kids.

Single survival will end after first injury or illness, none is insured from that , and the probability that after a certain time one will get it, tends to be one hundred percent. Loner breaking a leg will just die of thirst, hunger, or will be eaten by dogs, for example. In the group, even just family even in this simple example the security level is much higher. Motivation that single - invisible is wrong. Everyone leaves traces. Less food for one? But it is harder to get it as well.

Simply check statistics. You can't argue with it. Chance of survival in a group of lost or in a disaster many times more even if random people were gathered.

More people in group- more skills it can use. You simply can't build a house on your own.

Everyone who's telling about surviving alone probable have no idea about friendship. And that is sad.

[lonewolf]

no such thing, people are users and play mind games, trust people at your peril, especially post SHTF. don't think because you have a "friend" now that they will stand by you in a societal collapse, they wont, their families and their kids will come first, your "friendship" will be a long way down the line when their kids are starving.