1st contact with a surviver H7N9/bird flu

[Plymtom]

Hence my stash of hand gel,! Always have one in my bag, car on my desk. OCD has its uses!

You have a point hygene and OCD are good bed partners when it comes to the nasty bugs, and yet in part too much hygene could be setting us up for a fall as with the over use of antibiotics causing the lowering of any natural immunity we may have.

[lonewolf]

I always carry a bottle of hand gel when shopping at supermarkets and/or using public toilets, no point in washing hands then getting reinfected when grabbing the door handle to get out, use the hand gel when outside!! same goes for trolley handles...gawd knows what snotty brat has been wiping his nose on the trolley handles!!!

[Plymtom]

I always carry a bottle of hand gel when shopping at supermarkets and/or using public toilets, no point in washing hands then getting reinfected when grabbing the door handle to get out, use the hand gel when outside!! same goes for trolley handles...gawd knows what snotty brat has been wiping his nose on the trolley handles!!!

Oh a pet hate sticky trolley handles drives me up the wall, and the hand gel.. beats the hell out of trying to catch the door with your foot as someone else comes in then elbow it back

[Decaff]

I always carry a bottle of hand gel when shopping at supermarkets and/or using public toilets, no point in washing hands then getting reinfected when grabbing the door handle to get out, use the hand gel when outside!! same goes for trolley handles...gawd knows what snotty brat has been wiping his nose on the trolley handles!!!

Oh a pet hate sticky trolley handles drives me up the wall, and the hand gel.. beats the hell out of trying to catch the door with your foot as someone else comes in then elbow it back

Agree with both comments above!! Saw something once where they took swabs of everyday item out and about and the majority had fecal matter in the results. Never assume the person using trolleys, opening doors etc before you has washed their hands after a loo visit.

One of my favourite sayings is "water doesn't kill germs, soap does" and have been known to follow "ladies" at work along the corridors reminding them they forgot to wash! Disgusts me.

[rik_uk3]

Hence my stash of hand gel,! Always have one in my bag, car on my desk. OCD has its uses!

You have a point hygene and OCD are good bed partners when it comes to the nasty bugs, and yet in part too much hygene could be setting us up for a fall as with the over use of antibiotics causing the lowering of any natural immunity we may have.

Thats a very valid point. There is some clinical evidence showing that youngsters living in 'sterile' homes can have a compromised immune system. Alcohol won't kill clostridium difficile or norovirus. When I was on secondment to the Infection Control Team (nursing) we emphasised good hand washing technique with soap and water; certainly after nursing patients with runny tummy. Alcohol is a super tool put don't overly rely on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGddyTW5eMc gives you an idea; I've seen a good few people die from C Diff.

[pseudonym]

When I was on secondment to the Infection Control Team (nursing) we emphasised good hand washing technique with soap and water.

Rik, great point.

Did they recommend any particular brand of soap?

Best to stock up now I think.

[rik_uk3]

No particular brand, I use Pears but I like the smell lol, look at the technique of washing which combined with soap and running water is a good basic hygiene technique. Remember that alcohol does not remove dirt and dirt on your hands and arms is perfect for some bacteria to find a home. On the ward for general use we recommended a 'real' hand was after you'd used gel four or five times. Spores off the likes of C Diff can live a long time out of a body, months even so bleach solution is very good for cleaning the likes of work surfaces, doors/handles etc.

Stock up on bleach.

[pseudonym]

No particular brand, I use Pears but I like the smell lol, look at the technique of washing which combined with soap and running water is a good basic hygiene technique. Remember that alcohol does not remove dirt and dirt on your hands and arms is perfect for some bacteria to find a home. On the ward for general use we recommended a 'real' hand was after you'd used gel four or five times. Spores off the likes of C Diff can live a long time out of a body, months even so bleach solution is very good for cleaning the likes of work surfaces, doors/handles etc.

Stock up on bleach.

Many thanks.

[Decaff]

Don't forget steam, cleaning with steam kills nasties on carpets too! Norovirus can survive a good few months on carpets and rugs. Carpets should be cleaned not just hoovered.

[Appin]

I could believe influenza but not the H7 N9 variant.

Reporting is pretty good.

All cases of H7 N9 are reported to WHO as its appearance outside China would be a massive Health issue.

The West criticised China for not letting on they had cases so everyone is being good about reporting. A UK H7N9 case would be big news and would not be D Noticed ( too many blabber mouthed scientists would know for a start).


http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/HPAwebFile/H ... 7141359056

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_06_27_a ... luenza/en/

http://www.who.int/influenza/human_anim ... 8.pdf?ua=1

Appin