group survival?

[lonewolf]

I don't belong to a group, I don't trust other people and that goes doubly so post SHTF, in any case immediately TSHTF it will be "hunker down, stay quiet and wait for the dust to settle". groups/communities and villages will be a long way down the road when everything has quietened down and its safe to come out-we could be looking at 6months/12months/18months before that is possible, maybe even longer, in the meantime is will be everyone for themselves.

[J23]

J23,
You need to stop thinking locally if you deem that the folk around you are not going to be anything of use in a major SHTF scenario.
I am however part of an interest group which has a cultural and historic core to its ethos.
As I elude in my post you cite, there are separate groups that follow a like ethos and thus a friendship/brotherhood exists between separate groups.
Now those groups are spread all over England, a few in wider parts of Britain, America and Europe but mainly in Northern Europe for the greater part of the European groups.
It follows that, like in my personal case, that a fellow I met on an interest forum who lives a few miles from me is a member of a group that I am not a member of. That group is an established group who meet regularly in England. It then follows that my friend will mention this bloke or that bloke from such and such a group and give his critique as he sees fit. Now in my case I had a few drinks with the fellow and was introduced to more of his group that live in and around my location. Over time I helped my friend on projects and he helped me with work on my home and that of my other family members homes.
Now I do not expect that every thing I think or do is exactly the same as my friend but I seem to be reading from the same page as he and his friends, I then become known as a brother and a safe person within his group and so on and so on until I was accepted among the wider groups as a known ally .
This is not a thing that happens overnight but takes time to build a network that one can function within and as part of.
I do not pretend that we are ready now, much depends on future financing of land that members are seeking to obtain, but we are heading in the right direction.
Some of the group I am personally involved with are in a position to move to and keep watch on things when we move to the next level in our direction.

What is important is that you allow time to make contacts and judge them for their benefit in the possible future turn of events. You must also realise that those contacts will expect something from you as there's no such thing as a free lunch.
To give you some idea though, I have mentioned I joined UK Preppers to those I interact with and this forum is relatively unknown to them.
Are you involved with groups outside the prepping sphere and if so can you casually introduce your worries and your concerns that there 'might' be a need to start prepping ? You never know what doors will open and what the future holds.
To give you a bit of encouragement though, through the groups I interact with around Britain and Northern Europe I would say there are many. many thousands of people who have covert prepping as a part of their group structures

I'm sorry I can't be more specific and I hope I have answered some of your questions.

Wulfshead

Hi and thanks for your attention. I think locally as I prepp rather for small problems than some big S... an I don't intend to bug out but prefer to bug in as I have small kid and wife and live in dense area (Leeds) and I try to prepp with priorities and possibility of happening things for example I prefer to overpay my mortgage rather than buy 4x4 as repossession is more likely to happen than real need for 4x4.that's why you may see me laughing at people who spend last money for things that may never need

[lonewolf]

I'm inclined to agree with the 4x4 ! post SHTF most people will be lucky if they can even get out of the cities, and going across country wont be possible unless they are going somewhere like Salisbury Plain. if I was going for another vehicle(I'm not) I would be looking at something like a Suzuki carryvan, a Piaggio Porter van or one of the new(yes its Chinese)DFSK minivans...something small and manouverable I can get down the deep narrow North Devon lanes.

[J23]

I'm inclined to agree with the 4x4 ! post SHTF most people will be lucky if they can even get out of the cities, and going across country wont be possible unless they are going somewhere like Salisbury Plain. if I was going for another vehicle(I'm not) I would be looking at something like a Suzuki carryvan, a Piaggio Porter van or one of the new(yes its Chinese)DFSK minivans...something small and manouverable I can get down the deep narrow North Devon lanes.

the vehicles you mention are great - the Chinese looks fine, and warranty seems good for it, I bet the quality is getting better and in few year's time these will be respected like today's Kia or Hyundai. Still can't afford them all excess of money will go towards investments and mortgage

[J23]

I don't belong to a group, I don't trust other people and that goes doubly so post SHTF, in any case immediately TSHTF it will be "hunker down, stay quiet and wait for the dust to settle". groups/communities and villages will be a long way down the road when everything has quietened down and its safe to come out-we could be looking at 6months/12months/18months before that is possible, maybe even longer, in the meantime is will be everyone for themselves.

easy in rural location, try to do so in dense area That's why I prefer to stick to somebody than be on my own - even if I think SHTF on massive long term scale won't happen it is better to be prepared a bit

[lonewolf]

easy in rural location, try to do so in dense area That's why I prefer to stick to somebody than be on my own - even if I think SHTF on massive long term scale won't happen it is better to be prepared a bit

I don't think highly populated areas will be much good for long term survival post SHTF, once the food deliveries and petrol stop being delivered and the water stops being pumped through the mains and the sewers start backing up, and the roads aren't mended or cleared. I leave the rest to your imagination!!

[lonewolf]

the vehicles you mention are great - the Chinese looks fine, and warranty seems good for it, I bet the quality is getting better and in few year's time these will be respected like today's Kia or Hyundai. Still can't afford them all excess of money will go towards investments and mortgage

I used to have a Bedford Rascal van-very similar to those mentioned-in fact their all based on a similar body chassis, and that was a great little van, went everywhere in it and you'd be surprised what you can pack in the back of it, it also has other uses, we had our honeymoon in that van!!!

[J23]

easy in rural location, try to do so in dense area That's why I prefer to stick to somebody than be on my own - even if I think SHTF on massive long term scale won't happen it is better to be prepared a bit

I don't think highly populated areas will be much good for long term survival post SHTF, once the food deliveries and petrol stop being delivered and the water stops being pumped through the mains and the sewers start backing up, and the roads aren't mended or cleared. I leave the rest to your imagination!!

I agree, but what is the possibility of such bad SHTF scenario? IMO very little. you would need disaster on massive scale rather than something else.
FYI people adapt better than you think when they have to. Try reading a bit about Eastern Europe people sent to Siberia as a punishment. Travelling few weeks by train in cow's cars and then left there sometimes with nothing. and they had to survive and often they were people who never worked before due to their social status
this one is about people sent there during WWII and I bet in XIX century it was way worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leCKOvgahSY

[Plymtom]

the vehicles you mention are great - the Chinese looks fine, and warranty seems good for it, I bet the quality is getting better and in few year's time these will be respected like today's Kia or Hyundai. Still can't afford them all excess of money will go towards investments and mortgage

I used to have a Bedford Rascal van-very similar to those mentioned-in fact their all based on a similar body chassis, and that was a great little van, went everywhere in it and you'd be surprised what you can pack in the back of it, it also has other uses, we had our honeymoon in that van!!!

I preffered the rascal to the Honda Acty's we used to have at work and the Midi even more, the honda was a death trap as far as I'm concerned and both those and anything like it, similar to sending a soldier to war with no body armour, there was a council estate we were afraid to go to once the kids turned one over whilst the bloke was working in a house

[lonewolf]

you (and others) may not think any serious SHTF will ever happen, that's is of course your perogitive, but do you want to take the chance? I mean wouldn't it be better to at least plan for something in the hope that it never happens, rather than not planning and it does? I believe that with more and more people on the planet and with ever dwindling resources something will finally have to give, maybe it wont happen for awhile but on the other hand maybe it will? who knows? I'd rather be thought a fool when it dosent happen than be caught without supplies or a plan when it does. you "pays your money and you takes your choice" as the saying goes.