Food Riots -

[Plymtom]

As with many others here if anything happens the whole point of being prepared was so as we didn't have to get into that barrel of worms, I hate shopping as it is

[lonewolf]

no point in putting ourselves in harms way unnecessarily, there will be enough problems without making more.

[Galen]

G'day Decaff - It may be my time in the army that gives lie to the adage "No plan, however well thought out, survives contact with the enemy."

I'd hoped that this would be an exchange of ideas, as LW puts it, thinking outside the box. Its the assumption that most people have is that they will be at home/be able to get home ... stone the crows, I don't go anywhere on a bank holiday because of the traffic jams - imagine that times a hundred.

As for being 'stuffed' if you're overseas ( I cringe at telling a women she's wrong, but) you're wrong.

Prepping is more than 'bottles 'n' beans ... it's a mind set.

Adaptability and improvisation are the key to survival.

Hence Pet Food as a subject of discussion that may not cross the mind of many people. No one in their right mind would go out into a dangerous situation, but you can be dropped into it.

If your only plan is to sit-tight, then you're limiting your survival options. Think "What would I do if I'm stuck far from home?" ... then raiding a pet store makes more sense.

Either way, I think you'd be pretty hard to kill

[Arzosah]

Not to do with food riots, but when I wrote recently about getting home in an emergency, and the booklet I'm writing, thats exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. If you're far away from home, you probably don't have enough with you to get you all the way back - in that situation, I'd try at a corner/small store, not a supermarket, the size of those shops will let panic build very quickly. What I *would* have with you is a method of water purification - tablets/my posh water filter.

I've got 4 journeys of several hundred miles lined up this year, possibly including one abroad - if ts were to htf during one of those, yep, I'd have problems. A map is essential when you're in a strange place, yes, small roads etc, small everything - small presence, small shops, as quiet as you can.

[Holomon]

The thing is, you're not fighting a specific enemy. That whole quote refers to the unpredictability of warfare because of the human element in combat, and the inability to plan against how they will react.

The whole point of being prepared is to be able to, for example, get home in the first place. Unless you're talking about a sudden unexpected nuclear exchange, most things build up over time. So when I go somewhere, I make sure I have enough fuel to get back again before I do anything else. If I had to drop everything and head back, I'd make sure I have enough food/water that I'd be ok if I had to ditch the car and walk to a train station. If I had to walk further then the supplies would get me to a shop on the way.
If society had fallen apart in the day I was away then I'd use my emergency kit to live off the land till I got home etc etc.

In a first world island that you can walk from one end to the other in a little over 3 weeks there's not much you can't prep for.

[Decaff]

G'day Decaff - It may be my time in the army that gives lie to the adage "No plan, however well thought out, survives contact with the enemy."

I'd hoped that this would be an exchange of ideas, as LW puts it, thinking outside the box. Its the assumption that most people have is that they will be at home/be able to get home ... stone the crows, I don't go anywhere on a bank holiday because of the traffic jams - imagine that times a hundred.

As for being 'stuffed' if you're overseas ( I cringe at telling a women she's wrong, but) you're wrong.

Prepping is more than 'bottles 'n' beans ... it's a mind set.

Adaptability and improvisation are the key to survival.

Hence Pet Food as a subject of discussion that may not cross the mind of many people. No one in their right mind would go out into a dangerous situation, but you can be dropped into it.

If your only plan is to sit-tight, then you're limiting your survival options. Think "What would I do if I'm stuck far from home?" ... then raiding a pet store makes more sense.

Either way, I think you'd be pretty hard to kill

Hiya, absolutely pet food is an option! Bonios were a secret munch of mine when we had a dog but to be honest overseas is something I'm not likely to afford for a long long time and my priority is to get myself a house further out where I can get away from as much of civilisation as is possible in this country! so saving is all im interested in, flip flops and sand are not on my radar but a cellar is for lots of reasons, with a secret door for the entrance. So honestly I can't envisage being trapped overseas. I am bloody minded and telling me "no" has never worked! I got more balls than the men in my home put together.

I would be murder to kill... More so if I had PMT, think pit bull with a bad temper

[junmist]

Hmmm miles away from home and I need to sit out the first mob panic before making my way home As I hate shopping I wouldn't know were to go for supermarkets any way. Garden centres would most properly be my first call as I would know where they are farm shops and country stores 2nd and 3rd calls

[lonewolf]

if you set up a GHB and keep it with you I really don't see why you would need to join a riot for food, I can carry enough food(dehydrated) to last me at least a week and it dosent weigh that much, in a week I can get back from most places I go to in a year.

[Arzosah]

... my priority is to get myself a house further out where I can get away from as much of civilisation as is possible in this country! so saving is all im interested in, flip flops and sand are not on my radar but a cellar is for lots of reasons, with a secret door for the entrance....

I was researching a little bit of local history in north west England last year, and reading about a smugglers pub ... there were a couple of things that'd be great for a shtf house. First was a weathervane that didn't show the weather, it showed "safe" or "dangerous" - it was fixed, and a handle turned it to point in different directions, it never showed the wind at all

The other was a trapdoor. The book was pretty badly written, in convoluted Victorian language, so I couldn't quite understand what it meant, but there was a big trapdoor right inside the front door, underneath a rag rug, and if it was raided by customs officials, another handle could be pulled, the trapdoor would open, and the customs officials would go tumbling into the cellar. I think a part of the cellar must have been completely walled off for this to happen - it would only catch a few officials, of course, and the others would get a ladder to rescue them, but it would slow down the raiding party enough for the smugglers to make their escape

[Decaff]

... my priority is to get myself a house further out where I can get away from as much of civilisation as is possible in this country! so saving is all im interested in, flip flops and sand are not on my radar but a cellar is for lots of reasons, with a secret door for the entrance....

I was researching a little bit of local history in north west England last year, and reading about a smugglers pub ... there were a couple of things that'd be great for a shtf house. First was a weathervane that didn't show the weather, it showed "safe" or "dangerous" - it was fixed, and a handle turned it to point in different directions, it never showed the wind at all

The other was a trapdoor. The book was pretty badly written, in convoluted Victorian language, so I couldn't quite understand what it meant, but there was a big trapdoor right inside the front door, underneath a rag rug, and if it was raided by customs officials, another handle could be pulled, the trapdoor would open, and the customs officials would go tumbling into the cellar. I think a part of the cellar must have been completely walled off for this to happen - it would only catch a few officials, of course, and the others would get a ladder to rescue them, but it would slow down the raiding party enough for the smugglers to make their escape

Fabulous! Imagine something like that built from new, huge basement, concealed of course, like your own personal bunker... all mod cons to keep the rabble out... not a chance for me though, unless I win the lottery or some such and then it would be somewhere up in Northumberland for me with builders from at least 100 miles away so no-one local would know what exactly was going on... bliss!

Oh I know, but a girl can dream of more than tins of beans surely!