Perpping Mentality

[Plymtom]

Now I know this is a generalisation, but the US has more of a "can do" attitude, whereas (very) large sections of the UK Community have more of a "I want; I deserve; Give Me...." attitude.

Yes but add to that there is little land in the UK where you could just "bug out" to that belongs to no one (or everyone) not only are we a small country, but we have little in the way of free resources to go and "can do " with.

[lonewolf]

Yes but add to that there is little land in the UK where you could just "bug out" to that belongs to no one (or everyone) not only are we a small country.

I do have a giggle when someone says that as I know to the contrary, but the more that people carry on thinking like that the better off I will be. also you have to remember that with a population of 64 million 80% of which live in the cities and have no connection to the countryside whatsoever, and many do not know where there food comes from and in some cases not even which animal.

[sfcfinchrs]

What I guess I am noting in my post. Is that the UK society is firmly entrenched in a model of easy consumption.

The resources required to survive as a whole society are in reality pretty thin on the ground. Everything that makes the current system work has very little resilience.

The transport system breaks down and the kitchen Cunard's will be bare in short order. This goes for most things.

The airing cupboard no longer holds jars of preserves from the garden.

So what the unprepared can gleen or scavenge is also pretty thin on the ground.

People do not the skills of their grandparents, since the modern society hold no incentive to have learned those skills. For example. The percentage of society that does and possesses the skills to take small game. Is very small indeed. I think we all agree that it is really to late to learn these things when SHTF.

So on that basis I make my prediction that time timeline to die off is going to be very quick indeed in the UK.

I take no pleasure in this and wish there was an answer.

In the states due to its size you have a bit more resilience. The heavily urbanised areas will experience a quick die off timeline, yet the rural areas will be in better shape.

Distance works in their favor. The sheeple that do the locust thing are not going to make it far in terms of the vast distances involved.

Here we find that the rural environment is within walking distances of the urban environments, this would slow the die off timeline if we were still in the 40's or 50's. That is not the case though. The modern world, politics and ease of living have conspired to unintended consequences.

The average citizen does not possess the knowledge or experience required to utilize what is available on this Island to survive. By the crime that they realise what they need to do to survive. They will already be on a downward slope. They will have to try and learn these new skills when already nutritionally depleted. I predict that very few indeed will be able to make it. Not to mention the contribution of water system and medical system failure.

So I believe that we will see a die off happen in rapid fashion. What I have planned in relation to this prediction is to, hunker down while the storm blows over.

After the storm blows over, those that have made it will find an island that still holds unused resources.


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[sfcfinchrs]

I forgot to address the firearms issue.

While they are a very powerful tool, they are not the be all and end all.

Unless you are a gunsmith, one broken they are useless. Ammunition is a perishable resource.

The society here is no longer a gun culture. Only a very small portion of society even know how to use these tools properly. Yes you DO have to know how to use them properly and practice such for them to be of any use at all.

You don't NEED them to survive. You need things that are easier to obtain and practice with. While I understand very well the firearms need in the states, their reasons do not apply well here in the UK.

In the states you have an armed society. The second amendment enshrined that principle with good reason. The second amendment was designed by the founding fathers to ensure against totalitarian rule. An armed populace can defend its self against a government that has decided to rule in an oppressive way. The anti gun people often forget that.

This precept is and not been a part of the tenants of the UK.

So in reality firearms are not required to survive here. We prepped do not need to concentrate on defending ourselves against firearm wielding gangs as such.

What we DO need to concentrate on is getting good with the tools that are available to us. I love to use the example of the humble axe. You may have one in your prepps. That is a good idea. It is an even better idea to use it now too become proficient with it. Chopping down a tree efficiently takes practice. Taking small game with a catapult takes practice. Yet as long as you have plenty of VERY cheap extra bands, you can pickup ammo for it anywhere there are small stones.

We preppers are going to fight a war. We are going to be surviving.

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[Holomon]

Taking small game with a catapult takes practice.

You've got that right, 65 attempts at the weekend and I managed to hit a can once from 25 feet away. Glad I bought 500 BBs!
I remember being so much better when I was a kid lol

[Wingfoot]

While I agree we will never see the majority of people armed here there are still significant numbers held mostly in the rural areas, the top document in this link has the relevant numbers… https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... 12-to-2013

As of 2013 there were 146,000 firearm certificate holders (not shotgun) accounting for some 500,000 guns which is an approx 3.5 guns per certificate average.

As of 2013 there were 570,000 Shotgun Certificate holders with an average of 2.3 guns each.

These figures obviously do not cover the unknown numbers of illegal guns in circulation held by criminals.

It also does not cover those guns that are exempt because they are antique.

As a percentage of the UK population, even if all certificate holders chose to share their guns with people after a SHTF event, which is highly unlikely, the numbers are still very small around 1% but the highest concentration of guns is in rural areas which is where many of you are intending to head if it all goes south.

Interesting to note is the highest concentrations per head of population are Devon & Cornwall, Thames Valley & West Mercia, & the lowest are Merseyside, The Met & City of London.

Also, while ammunition once assembled is regulated the component parts are not, so its possible to store high numbers of these without regulation & assemble them as & when required, meaning that those with the capability to make their own ammo post SHTF will have a working firearm far longer than those that do not.

Also worth mentioning are the antique flintlocks, these are only licensed in the UK if you intend to use them for target shooting, its possible to own them as collectors pieces without a certificate, the recipe for black powder has been known for centuries & lead casting of round ball is not rocket science, the chances are that some of these old pieces could be resurrected in a time of need.

So if your plan post SHTF is to raid the countryside its quite possible you may meet armed resistance from folks already out there…

Wf

[lonewolf]

what we will need when TSHTF is a fast die off, as this will leave a lot of resources lying about for the survivors to use, a slow die off will see a lot of these things being used up and less for the eventual survivors to use.

[nickdutch]

Let me start by saying that I am not much of a believer in total SHTF situation, but if I was, i wodl have to think about the social dynamics of the people who are left. What would the "die off" period be like and how would it occur? Traditionally, and even in these present point in times, those who don't respect the law reflect (to my minds eye) what people will be like when there is no law. In short there will be tribes based on the gangster culture that we are already seeing and have always seen in the west. The predators will provide drink, drugs and prostitution, maybe illegal gambling too to draw the addicts in and then to fleece them of all their money, get them hooked on drugs and dodgy drink to the point whereby they wont be able to look after themselves even if they had the tools to do so.

The predators will grow in wealth and power ("owning" (through muscle) properties and goods) and the weak will be preyed upon until they die off or are disabled mentally or physically.

The gangs will become like the ancient kingdoms within the border of the coastline of the uk and will eventually be at war with one another and/or will connect through marriage and raip.

It will be the dispossessed who will die off. Maybe you might need to work out how to either create new kingdoms based on more ethical lines than those of the gangsters (who already exist) and how to protect yourself from these more negative forces.

If there ever will be a "die off" it won't be clean, crime, violence, corruption and the like will go completely unchecked and only those well equipped to be evil, or to fight off evil, will survive.

Maybe its more a question of creating a virtual nation before that time comes (if it ever does) and until that time comes, then to keep on supporting each other with information to enhance the collective survivability of any situation.

Just a few thoughts for today.

[lonewolf]

don't worry Nick, those "gangsta" types you refer to wont last long, the violence will be just a short part of the initial die off, the types that kill and thief for food know nothing about countryside, wildlife, or farming and they will not survive once the cities become bare of any food supplies.probably kill each other off for the last remaining scraps and cups of water.until that happens they will feed off the foolish and the unprepared and those unable to protect what they have.

[Stasher]

don't worry Nick, those "gangsta" types you refer to wont last long, the violence will be just a short part of the initial die off, the types that kill and thief for food know nothing about countryside, wildlife, or farming and they will not survive once the cities become bare of any food supplies.probably kill each other off for the last remaining scraps and cups of water.until that happens they will feed off the foolish and the unprepared and those unable to protect what they have.

we hope