Co2 fire extinguisher - self defence.

[lightningxl]

CO2 fire extinguisher - situated by front and back doors in case of fire. Obviously.

Secondary use as non lethal self defence item that by definition falls to hand in an emergency - a blast of ice cold Co2 in the face should deter any intruder and if they still hav'nt got the message the bottle pretty weighty.

Selling on Amazon for £20 (2kg with horn)

Also smaller car dry powder models for self protection against car jackers and fight those flames - am i right in thinking mandatory for travelling in Europe??

Thoughts....

PS Remember "I was feeling threatened, scared and trapped - grabbed the first thing that came to hand to defend myself - officer."

[Plymtom]

No doubt you're well aware of the recent murder here involving bladed attack, I don't like talking weapons too much except to try and retain some perspective, I do like your thinking here, few intruders are going to risk an entry/confrontational attack ( perhaps on the elderly in the worst of "normal"scenarios) but when they do a non lethal effective option could be less hassle, more likely to result in a statement taken over a cup of tea in your own home, than a lengthy interview to determine whether your response was appropriate.

[poppypiesdad]

I would seriously think twice about discharging a powder extinguisher inside your car

1 hell of a mess
2 you'll want to see the road to get away oh and breathe
3 if in France the coppers will be round the corner to fine you for not having a working fire extinguisher.
4 you would be better hitting them over the head with it , by the time you've got it out of the bracket , pulled the pin and aimed it, unless it's rolling around in the door pocket unsealed /pinned .not wise
J

[Holomon]

Thoughts....

My first thought is "manslaughter" to be honest, getting sprayed in the face with a high concentration of CO2 could actually kill the intruder.
It's a double edged sword as at a distance it would have almost no effect, but at close range could overload the body and cause anything from dizziness to convulsions to death.

[Vespa]

As a stupid and reckless student many many years ago my friends and i would regularly squirt each other with water fire extinguishers, CO2 exstinguishers and dry powder.

Dry powder examples are by far the most unpleasant to get in your face, trust me on this. I know from experience.

I'm just grateful there was far less CCTV in Halls of Residence back in the day.

[debbor]

now that is a really good idea, good to have in house in case of fire , good for non violent self protection ....

[dannytsg]

As a prepper "weapon" it is ideal. Something that has dual use and can be planned for in case of an emergency.

Anyhting you could use to deter and disorientate a potential attacker/intruder has to be a good idea

[dazthechippy]

has anyone noticed that antifreeze in an aerosol can project quite a concentrated jet a good few feet? - just saying....

I noticed it a few mornings ago when i de-iced the car after getting it off the shelf by the front door

funny the things you notice

[lightningxl]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886504

The Justice Secretary has proposed amending the law in England and Wales on self-defence to protect householders who over-react when confronted by a burglar or intruder. What is the law on self defence in the home - and where do victims stand if confronted?

What force does the law allow?

In England and Wales, anyone can use "reasonable" force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. Householders are protected from prosecution as long as they act "honestly and instinctively" in the heat of the moment. "Fine judgements" over the level of force used are not expected, says the Crown Prosecution Service.

What this means in practice is that someone can claim they attacked in self-defence if they genuinely believed they were in peril - even if in hindsight they were clearly wrong.

Victims do not have to wait to be attacked if they are in their home and fear for themselves or others. These guidelines also apply if someone, in the spur of the moment, picks up an item to use as a weapon. The law very clearly says that a householder is not expected to weigh up the arguments for and against in the heat of the moment - but they have to show that their actions were reasonable in the moment.

[Plymtom]

I wasn't aware of the potential lethality when I first commented, that said it's then a question of odds against defending with a bat that happens to be around for example ( not what I have kicking around as I don't do sport as such) either way a potential attacker's life is at risk there is no doubt and here's why.. BY the very fact that we talk about this, even in "normal" times most people have entertained the thought of being violated in such a way with great fear, we hear stories from ( mostly across the pond) of home invasions where people are deliberately attacked by intruders or at best homes are attacked with no regard for whether they are occupied at the time, unlike the conventional burglar who goes about his business barely in control of his bladder and bowels in case someone returns, in short we fear this as much if not more than fire, it is getting caught pants down, we feel defenceless whether we truly are or not, to that end given that having fire extinguishers kicking around is quite sensible it's a risk worth taking.

To add I have a damn big dog at the moment, I have torches kicking around in case the lights go out and to check I havent dropped anything when I come home in the dark and unload the car, probably worse of all I carry a turboflame lighter at all times, which I would happily use in self defence, anyone's knee jerk reaction is to back off when they feel their skin burning, that and space being an issue in our house we have shelving in the passageway which I store stuff like corn flakes out of the steamy kitchen and deodorant stocks for the lads, maintenance oils, this came about very innocently as space became an issue and to curb excessive use of the stuff when they were younger, but if you ever saw Roger Moore sorting that snake in his bathroom out in "Live and Let Die" then I'd need the fire extinguisher in case I panic and go down the makeshift flame thrower route

It is a serious issue that we all probably worry too much about, but I will say Austerity leads to desperation, those on the receiving end of it wont disappear get non existent or non living wage jobs, currently there's hope things may change soon, I'd feel safer if they did at home, or about the town, and not just in the dark