Fallkniven F1 - UK carry?

[Hamradioop]

Legalese it an arse too - apparently, if a copper reads something to you or tells you something, and asks "Do you understand?" by saying yes you are agreeing to all the statutes that they enforce. By saying 'yes', you would be agreeing to 'stand under' the authority of the police and government. Even if the law is that you aren't allowed to be drunk in charge of a cow in Scotland. What if it's my cow on my land?!

I do not understand. But they will still mistreat and abuse me if they were to catch me violating one of their statutes.

This is based on the fallacy of the Freemen, a load of bs, The caution he reads to you is a requirement of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act

[dangerman]

I don't trust to the freeman movement - but I do know that there are all kinds of manipulative legal 'things' that the plod/authorities can do.

My bad on falling for propaganda.

[featherstick]

This is my problem - my good reason is that I might need it. There are any number of things that a knife is useful for and I would like to have one with me pretty much all the time.

I have good reason, but the 'discretion' that the police and authorities have may or may not agree. The only way to find out is to wait to be quizzed and potentially arrested to find out. This kind of restriction on my freedom is not what I pay taxes for.

Carry a nice little SAK then, in a pouch in the bottom of a pack or a man-bag, and you'll be fine.

[Devonian]

This is my problem - my good reason is that I might need it. There are any number of things that a knife is useful for and I would like to have one with me pretty much all the time.

I have good reason, but the 'discretion' that the police and authorities have may or may not agree. The only way to find out is to wait to be quizzed and potentially arrested to find out. This kind of restriction on my freedom is not what I pay taxes for.

OK, so before your Father in Law gave you your nice new shiny knife, what did you used to carry around?

Why have your 'needs/requirements' suddenly changed since you have received this new knife?

[dangerman]

This is my problem - my good reason is that I might need it. There are any number of things that a knife is useful for and I would like to have one with me pretty much all the time.

I have good reason, but the 'discretion' that the police and authorities have may or may not agree. The only way to find out is to wait to be quizzed and potentially arrested to find out. This kind of restriction on my freedom is not what I pay taxes for.

OK, so before your Father in Law gave you your nice new shiny knife, what did you used to carry around?

Why have your 'needs/requirements' suddenly changed since you have received this new knife?

It's not that I need need it. I would just like it and feel that it should be my right. It's not that I want to keep it on my hip like Crocodile Dundee, just in my small EDC bag.

For years I've not carried anything and then one day, when my motorcycle broke down one day, I realised that a simple multi-tool would have helped me a lot. So I bought the Gerber Suspension only to find out (from you guys on here) that it was illegal for me to carry with me. Illegal! A simple tool to help me fix my motorcycle battery into place, correct the wiring, fix a door lock or fasten up my roof bars. Whatever it may be. That tool is now sat unused at the bottom of one of my G.O.O.D. bags.

COMPUTER SAYS NO.

No rhyme nor reason, just a law that someone made up that makes no sense. So yeah, as Featherstick says, I've now got an SAK and recently bought my SOG Paratool for my legal carry. But they're limited in their usefulness. The more I've gotten accustomed to having this stuff on my person the more useful I've found it and the more reassured I am that I have it with me.

Regarding my lovely new knife specifically, I just want it. I would probably find uses for it as my new life carrying a knife progresses. But alas, it will never happen: computer says no.

[tanstaafl]

Its the old chestnut about individual rights verses the safety of society in general, and everyone has a different idea where the balance should be.

Personally I think Ben got it right

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”

[dangerman]

Its the old chestnut about individual rights verses the safety of society in general, and everyone has a different idea where the balance should be.

Personally I think Ben got it right

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”

Yep, Benjamin Franklin also said (according to my t-shirt) "Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy?". He was clearly a wise man.

The NRA, official association of obsessive gun nuts, as well as many other simpletons jump on these kind of quotes though, and apply them as justification to own and obsess over weapons of mass destruction and teach their kids how to be violent in the name of self defense. If it was up to those kinds of people, every child would be born and given a standard issue rail gun.

[IfInDoubt]

I don't agree, you can carry anything you want. As long as you have a decent reason, and can prove it.

It would be madness if you let everyone carry everything they wanted.

We (reasonably sane) people realise a a knife or an axe is a tool, to used and carried correctly and safely as it has the potential to harm if not.

Others sadly don't, these are the people the police will stop, search, sieze and sentence.

I would have no qualms about being stopped by a bobby and being asked why I have any of my blades on me, I carry each one of them for a different reason. My big, fixed blade knife is on my belt kit as I'm a soldier, I use it on exercise at home and abroad and have taken it on Operations overseas. My lock knife is in my uniform pocket, as I need a safe blade at work. I have a leatherman in my car glove box as it has hex driver and screwdrivers and a sub 3 inch, non locking blade.

The police have a job to do, to keep us safe from numpties who should, but don't, know better.

out of curiosity what big, fixed blade knife is on your belt kit and how do you manage to get it past the jobsworths at RAF BZZ, or JAMC

[Captain Darling]

SOG Fusion Sealpup. It wasn't on my osprey or anything it was in my plano.

You can take them over and back if its been signed off by a Major or above as 'work essential' or something (it was 2 years I can't remember the exact phrasing) it was an A4 form with number, rank, name, blade type and reason for carriage plus space for the officers number, rank, name etc. Just got my sqn OC to sign it and then photocopied it, left a copy in my grip.

Mate of mine bought a knife out there from the PX, OC didn't like him so didnt sign it off, he spent about 40 mins wandering around terminal 5 hassling field officers for their signature. Ended up cornering a RM colonel and RSM and being asked 'are you going to keep bothering us until some one signs that bloody form' 'Pretty much yes sir' 'I'd best signed the damned thing then hadn't I!'

[Hamradioop]

persistence pays off then.