The new allotment

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Decaff
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Took my niece over the lottie today and we planted some spuds. She loved it, helped out with adding in compost, raking it in and cutting back those bloody bloody monsters of Bramble shoots that are coming through the whole place yet again :twisted:

If anyone knows how to poison these shoots without killing the whole hedge please save my sanity, I dream about murdering a hedge and that can't be good :o

The onions are beginning to sprout and the garlic has a few green shoots coming also! Loving being out in the fresh air and excited for the planting to come.
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A lot of good news, Decaff :)

As for the bramble shoots - I had huge sedge plants in this tiny suburban garden when I moved here, and they're absolutely horrible in a domestic setting. I used weedkiller - systemic, that you have to spray on the leaves on a windless day. It will gradually die. Just googled it again, and its Roundup :( :oops: I'd never use something that would poison a whole area, but spraying onto one plant, I can live with that.
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The problem is though that these shoots appear all over the whole plot, no leaves on them just thick green prickly shoots, I've tripped over a few of them already and ripped my trouser leg after getting tangled in the beasts.

So this roundup would kill just the shoots or the whole plant? If we keep chopping them off will it eventually give up and stop? Sorry for so many questions, I'm just really at a loss with this!

Getting more seeds started today in the propagator.
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Roundup would kill the whole plant, even brambles I think - you have to let the leaves come in, and then you spray it on the leaves, maybe twice in a week? It travels into the system of the plant and kills it - it can take a while, but its efficient. You have to actually *let* it grow to a certain size, though, to ensure it has enough leaves to let you get enough poison into the plant :( This is their website: http://www.roundup.com/smg/gosite/RUP/home. Mmm, as google reminds me, its glyphosate - an organophosphate :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate if I'd done that research before *I* used it, I probably wouldn't have bought it - seems to be carcinogenic, sorry!

Decaff, I just googled "killing brambles" instead (not our forum member!!!) and this looks good http://rachel-the-gardener.blogspot.co. ... do-it.html ). There are others on there too.

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Arzosah wrote:Roundup would kill the whole plant, even brambles I think - you have to let the leaves come in, and then you spray it on the leaves, maybe twice in a week? It travels into the system of the plant and kills it - it can take a while, but its efficient. You have to actually *let* it grow to a certain size, though, to ensure it has enough leaves to let you get enough poison into the plant :( This is their website: http://www.roundup.com/smg/gosite/RUP/home. Mmm, as google reminds me, its glyphosate - an organophosphate :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate if I'd done that research before *I* used it, I probably wouldn't have bought it - seems to be carcinogenic, sorry!

Decaff, I just googled "killing brambles" instead (not our forum member!!!) and this looks good http://rachel-the-gardener.blogspot.co. ... do-it.html ). There are others on there too.

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:lol: thank you so much!! I will do further investigations as I can't kill the whole hedge as that plot holder planted it for the berries :oops: although I may do a bit of ahem secret murdering if all else fails. Not to "our Brambles" obviously who is nothing like the prickly hedge I am battling :lol:
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Worked on the third raised bed today, happy to report the onions are all shooting up bar one, three cloves of garlic have now started to have green shoots appear, the indoor ones look good also, interestingly the Lottie ones look sturdier although they are all from the same batch.

Added 3 more bags of compost to the second bed and it's now ready for planting, if the frost would just go away! :evil: planning to put courgettes, cauliflowers and leeks into that one.

The pumpkins are absolutely huge already, they are not going to be put in a bed as they will take too much room!

We had a robin visit again today, it sat on the fork handle while I was weeding the onions!

Life is pretty good and enjoying being out in the fresh air.
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Decaff wrote:Worked on the third raised bed today, happy to report the onions are all shooting up bar one, three cloves of garlic have now started to have green shoots appear, the indoor ones look good also, interestingly the Lottie ones look sturdier although they are all from the same batch.

Added 3 more bags of compost to the second bed and it's now ready for planting, if the frost would just go away! :evil: planning to put courgettes, cauliflowers and leeks into that one.

The pumpkins are absolutely huge already, they are not going to be put in a bed as they will take too much room!

We had a robin visit again today, it sat on the fork handle while I was weeding the onions!

Life is pretty good and enjoying being out in the fresh air.
I may have said this already, forgive me if I am being repetitive- commercial compost will help with soil structure and organic material but won't feed the plants for very long. It's only got feed in it for 6 weeks. You'll need to add manure, kitchen compost, Fish, Blood and Bone or similar for longer-term fertility.
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featherstick wrote:
Decaff wrote:Worked on the third raised bed today, happy to report the onions are all shooting up bar one, three cloves of garlic have now started to have green shoots appear, the indoor ones look good also, interestingly the Lottie ones look sturdier although they are all from the same batch.

Added 3 more bags of compost to the second bed and it's now ready for planting, if the frost would just go away! :evil: planning to put courgettes, cauliflowers and leeks into that one.

The pumpkins are absolutely huge already, they are not going to be put in a bed as they will take too much room!

We had a robin visit again today, it sat on the fork handle while I was weeding the onions!

Life is pretty good and enjoying being out in the fresh air.
I may have said this already, forgive me if I am being repetitive- commercial compost will help with soil structure and organic material but won't feed the plants for very long. It's only got feed in it for 6 weeks. You'll need to add manure, kitchen compost, Fish, Blood and Bone or similar for longer-term fertility.
No problem, all comments welcomed, good or bad! We have a good stock of fish, blood and bone, potato food and chicken manure, the compost heap is in progress. We will give another good sprinkle in a couple of weeks time to feed the plants. We do add in all the above before planting anything.

Mr D came back with another couple of bags of rotted manure this afternoon, which will go into the second bed.
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Decaff, just a follow up on the brambles http://www.woodland-ways.co.uk/blog/wil ... s/bramble/

I'm definitely going to be making my own dried greens for storage - bramble, nettle, sorrel, hawthorn, chives, lemon balm, rosemary, oregano, its all going in.

One thing I've noticed this year thats new - I planted sorrel a few years ago, just one plant, and let it go to seed last year when I wasn't well. In the last few weeks, I've noticed there are at least a dozen sorrel plants in my grass (never been a lawn :D ) It needs absolutely no looking after, and you get a fair bit of greenery - could be worth thinking about?
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Thank you Arzosah x I knew it was a very versatile plant and is more than just the berries which is good news! Don't get me wrong, I adore bramble berries but what I dislike so much is the fact the shoots are popping through across the whole allotment, they are driving me potty! I don't want to kill the hedge itself, just those pesky shoots coming up everywhere. Been chopping them off every visit so hopefully they will just eventually give up... I live in hope :lol:
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