Down jacket less than £30......

[Yorkshire Andy]

http://m.gooutdoors.co.uk/hi-gear-packl ... 44415#tabs

Picked the lad one up tonight for wild camping ...

Seriously impressive quality for the price

Then less 15% with till end of august,:

http://m.gooutdoors.co.uk/coupon-1


Be great for a car bag or edc winter coat that will pack into its own pocket and has a pack size about 10" x 5" by 3"

OK its not Rab or similar brand quality but you struggle to get a synthetic one on the local market for that money...


Tech spec:

Insulation Type: Down
Zip Type: Full Zip
Pockets: 2
Drop Tail: Drop Tail
Cut: Casual / Standard
Fill Power: 700
Packable: Packable
Lining: 100% polyamide
Fill Type: 90% duck down, 10% feather

[pseudonym]

Thanks for the heads up.

[poppypiesdad]

Bloody hell for that price thought it would be synthetic not down ....
Good find

[MissAnpassad]

With that price it is pulled from live poultry and I'm not going to endorce it. If you all lived in Sweden you could come here and pick when my chickens changed their "fur" once a year (what is the correct term?).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not buy cheap stuff with down as its pulled really painfully from poultry.

[pseudonym]

With that price it is pulled from live poultry and I'm not going to endorce it. If you all lived in Sweden you could come here and pick when my chickens changed their "fur" once a year (what is the correct term?).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not buy cheap stuff with down as its pulled really painfully from poultry.

Could you please link a source to that claim?

I'm all for calling out Companies with bad ethics, but there must be accompanying evidence.

Thanks.

[MissAnpassad]

With that price it is pulled from live poultry and I'm not going to endorce it. If you all lived in Sweden you could come here and pick when my chickens changed their "fur" once a year (what is the correct term?).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not buy cheap stuff with down as its pulled really painfully from poultry.

Could you please link a source to that claim?

I'm all for calling out Companies with bad ethics, but there must be accompanying evidence.

Thanks.

In swedish unfortuanly. http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/fyra- ... ortfarande

[Yorkshire Andy]

Well original price is £80 so hardly cheap

http://www.higear.uk.com/hi-gear-packli ... et-p344415

End of the day there is no way I could afford to fit a young teenage boy in a new premium brand down jacket every winter the speed he grows, His health and welbeen takes precedence over a few birds... Last thing I want is for him to suffer with cold related illnesses or hypothermia that said bet the down fill is more eco friendly over a synthetic fill made of plastic/ nylon fluff

[pseudonym]

With that price it is pulled from live poultry and I'm not going to endorce it. If you all lived in Sweden you could come here and pick when my chickens changed their "fur" once a year (what is the correct term?).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not buy cheap stuff with down as its pulled really painfully from poultry.

Could you please link a source to that claim?

I'm all for calling out Companies with bad ethics, but there must be accompanying evidence.

Thanks.

In swedish unfortuanly. http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/fyra- ... ortfarande

Translated:


After the unveiling in 2009 of how live geese under torture-like forms were picked on her dun backed many companies. But a survey by the Animal Rights SVT aware of shows that many now sell back down products - many without their own controls.



The reaction was great when the images spread for more than four years ago. Geese screaming held firm while they were picked at its feathers. After the unveiling of TV4's Kalla Fakta chose several Swedish retailers to withdraw its down products, many on the grounds that the check was not reliable.

Shortly after the unveiling went example clothes chain MQ out with the following message:

"Then, despite certificates and certificates proved difficult to ensure that the birds have never been picked on down / feathers alive, MQ has chosen not to sell any down garments, but instead focus on alternative filling materials."

Others who chose to withdraw sales of down was Åhléns, Sleeping, Amazon and Ikea, according to a survey by the Advice and Findings of 2009.

Many still rely on paper

Now the bounce back on the agenda. All of the companies that withdrew sales after thud scandal has reintroduced it in its range.

Some state that they now only use duck down, which will come directly from slaughterhouses - others do their own inspections of the producers, or has engaged a third party who does. But it's far from all.

Of the 14 companies contacted by Animal right answer eight that still rely on suppliers to show certificates and in this way ensures that the down is not plucked from live birds.

- Many have good document, but it is very difficult to know how it is implemented in practice, says Camilla Björkbom, 'Union of Animal rights to SVT News.

"Obviously we can not control every farm"

Home furnishing giant Jysk mentioned in Kalla Fakta element as one of the companies whose provider at the time could not guarantee that the down does not come from live plucked birds.

Today, they have about 10 suppliers of down products, which buys its feathers from both Europe and China. Jonas Schröder, is undertaken communications director, told Swedish Television News that it requires from its suppliers that are to be performed by a third party.

The controls are made about every three years by an American company. But Jonas Schroeder says that if someone wants to deceive the company, so it is of course possible.

- In China it is often very small farms that sell to larger suppliers. Obviously we can not control every little farm, he says.

MQ, even as they pulled back down products after thud scandal, has several down jackets in this year's catalog of third-party brands.

The survey answers now requiring that suppliers must enclose a certificate or other proof that the birds plucked alive, but no other control is made.

SVT has tried to reach MQ for comment.

"Must have people in place"

Camilla Björkbom on Animal Rights says that conditions for animals in dunindustrin not changed for the better since the documentary aired in 2009. She is critical of the written cerifikat or warranties are the only checks made by the companies.

- The only thing that would work is that the company has people in place.

Can you as a customer of today feel confident that even down jacket is not from birds plucked alive?

- No, it certainly can not do. The only thing a consumer can really do is that you must try to avoid the products.

A couple of the companies state that they now only use of duck down, and that it can thereby ensure that it comes from dead birds. But Camilla Björkbom do not think there is a guarantee that the animals lived decent lives.

- Actually there is no difference. Then they need to tell us more about the ducks. It does not really matter what species it is about, she says.

Is concerned that the effect is short-lived

Yesterday could SVT report on yet another djurrättskkandal. The organization PETA has come over footage showing how rabbits plagued when their fur is picked to produce the soft angora.

Several large Swedish companies fell immediately and stopped the sale of anogra - clothing giant Gina Tricot was one of them. It also decided to stop selling feather, leather - and down. Even in these industries, it is argued, can not be sure that it is entitled to.

- The individual company's ability to independently control is very small, says Marcus Bergman, sustainability manager at Gina Tricot.

On Animal Rights sees scandal that films with rabbits or geese bring strong reactions. But the effect of animal cruelty revelations are sometimes transient.

- First, a chockfas, then stop shops to import or change their policies. But since it can easily go back to normal, says Camilla Björkbom.

She is worried that the same thing will happen with the angora in the case of the down in 2009.

- I think because there was so much attention so they went out on their part, there is also public relations work for them to take a stand. Then perhaps we contacted the supplier and become insured. But when there are so many part of the paper it is not enough. Unfortunately, it is not so much worth.



Again, I'll ask, where is your specific evidence that the company Hi-Gear (that makes the jackets in the OP) pluck down from live Birds?

I'm not doubting that the procedure occurs, but this Forum is liable for it's content and spurious claims targeting Companies can lead to Lawyers getting involved.