Simple first aid kit.

[shocker]

On the subject of celox/quickclot and hemostatics in general, I posted a link on here a few weeks back to a paramedics forum that advised against them in most circumstances. They reckoned that direct pressure with a first field dressing (or similar) was a much better solution. I forget the exact reasoning but I will try and find it again.

I was a bit put out by this - I have used vetinary wound powder for years on the farm and on myself too at times, though I wouldnt advise anyone to do that. I thought "what a wonderful product" and was all set to buy some, until I read up on it.

Apparently (the bit I remember) the impregnated bandages are a good idea but the use of hemostatics in our current world makes further treatment harder when you get to the real medics. I do not doubt its wonderful capabilities on the battlefield or in disaster, SHTF scenarios, but now I think twice about it. I'll try find that link again.

[shocker]

Here it is ;

http://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/haemostatics/

..its a great site, well worth a bookmark or printoff

edit- this is well worth a look too;

http://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/urban-survival-kits/

[Deeps]

Cheers Shocker, I've bookmarked the site and I'll swing through it later, looks interesting.

[featherstick]

That's a great discussion on haemostatics.

For me, as a trained First Aider with a bit of (messy) experience, the takeaways are:

- You need specific training for each agent
- Time is critical
- The hospital may not know how to deal with the agent
- Gauze works as well as most haemostatics

Also, as a First Aider you are expected to work to you level of training, and not use stuff you haven't formally been trained on.

For me, I'll be revising the big FAKs to include more gauze, and forget about Celox etc.

[Brambles]

That's a great discussion on haemostatics.

For me, as a trained First Aider with a bit of (messy) experience, the takeaways are:

- You need specific training for each agent
- Time is critical
- The hospital may not know how to deal with the agent
- Gauze works as well as most haemostatics

Also, as a First Aider you are expected to work to you level of training, and not use stuff you haven't formally been trained on.

For me, I'll be revising the big FAKs to include more gauze, and forget about Celox etc.

Couldn't say it better myself. I would always prefer to pack out a wound, at least the surgeon can then see what's what. Haemostatics have their place, but they are not for me.

[Yorkshire Andy]

Latest first aid guidelines now include hemostatic gauze/ field dressings and cat tourniquet use under the new first actions:

Danger
Response
Catastrophic bleeding
Air way
Breathing
Bleeding
Circulation
Bones

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[Ahastyatom]

Thanks Brambles and Deeps. I think I am on the road to recovery. It has made me realise that I need to stock more of everything in general though. Its been suprising how quickly the stock of pain killers have gone down. Although it has not helped that the OH has taken to putting the empty packets back in the boxes I think i am going to aim to keep a minimum of two weeks worth per person in stock at all times from now on.

Mighty I like the look of your guide, I'm adding that to my urgent list. The small little pocket on I have is just nor in depth enough. I have spent a lot of time on Google which would be problematic in a SHTF situation. Also the screen continuously timing out would be a bit annoying.

[medicmark]

as many have said celox et al are good and life saving, however it brings major issues such as being a pain in the arse to remove so we can fix the problem. even more so n a major shtf situation we need to remember hospital/ definitive care may not be there, also it goes out of date and is bloody expensive.
remember be good at the basics, not crap and dangerous at the advanced.