WHO warns vaccinated travellers could still need to be quarantined

[Arzosah]

The issue appears to be that transmission post vaccination has not been researched so they just don't know.

Exactly. Lack of knowledge means that many of us will be erring on the side of caution. It's a perfectly valid viewpoint.

[Bosworth]

Exactly. The fact that there hasn’t been long enough to prove that something isn’t true is not the same as safely assuming it is true.

I can’t think how this vaccine can be any different to any other vaccine in this regard. It will work well for most people, it will harm a vanishingly small number of people, and it won’t work at all for a few.

Once we have vaccinated folk over 70 and those who are vulnerable then the rest of us should be able to take our chances. If we choose to of course, respecting individual decisions to stay locked away if that is what those individuals want to do.

[jennyjj01]

Exactly. The fact that there hasn’t been long enough to prove that something isn’t true is not the same as safely assuming it is true.

I can’t think how this vaccine can be any different to any other vaccine in this regard. It will work well for most people, it will harm a vanishingly small number of people, and it won’t work at all for a few.

Once we have vaccinated folk over 70 and those who are vulnerable then the rest of us should be able to take our chances. If we choose to of course, respecting individual decisions to stay locked away if that is what those individuals want to do.

Hi Bosworth,
I don't assume that vaccinated folk are likely to be spreaders or super-spreaders. I try not to assume either extreme.
But I did feel concerned when I merged the remarkably unanswered question with my own observation of human nature.
We already see governments pitching the levels of precautions at the minimal to allow normal economic activity. No reall attempt to crush the virus as New Zealand attempted.
Especially topical is the concept of vaccination certificates being mandated for international travel and possibly for other social mingling.
If the virus does make us more relaxed (reasonable) and it does make us mingle and travel more (reasonable) but does not actually reduce R, then it seems reasonable to be concerned at what we don't know but might take for granted.

I AM feeling more optimistic, but will continue to be cautious.

[Bosworth]

It isn’t possible to crush the virus reliably. Viruses are very good at what they do. It is ever thus in the history and pre-history of our species.

I think we are aligned in that until there are tangible positive results flowing through In the numbers then there won’t be any cause for relaxing social and economic restrictions.

But... and a big but!... for me the number that matters the isn’t R or the absolute infection rate, it is the leading indicator of hospital admissions. Put simply: is the number of people admitted to hospital with serious COVID complications trending up or down, and how fast is it doing so?

I don’t care if 50m people have the virus. I don’t care if 20m of them are in bed feeling very sorry for themselves (me included probably on those numbers!).

I do care if 50k are hospitalised such that our health service is becoming overwhelmed.

The Nightingales are being reactivated with urgency. The noise in the media about ‘staffing levels’ is just back-room dealing bubbling into the public eye to aid negotiations behind the scenes.

We are so close to getting this thing under control. Hold the faith for a bit longer jennyjj01. If you were anywhere near North London I’d invite you for a socially distanced walk and share some relevant stories and journeys that would give you hope I’m sure

[jennyjj01]

I think we are aligned in that until there are tangible positive results flowing through In the numbers then there won’t be any cause for relaxing social and economic restrictions.

I agree.

I do care if 50k are hospitalised such that our health service is becoming overwhelmed.

Indeed. The postponement of normal medical care is a nightmare.

We are so close to getting this thing under control. Hold the faith for a bit longer jennyjj01. If you were anywhere near North London I’d invite you for a socially distanced walk and share some relevant stories and journeys that would give you hope I’m sure

Thanks.
I AM feeling more optimistic, and full of hope. But I will continue to be cautious.

[ForgeCorvus]

I AM feeling more optimistic, and full of hope. But I will continue to be cautious.

You do remember that this is the definition of "Prepper" ?

If we weren't cautious we wouldn't prep, and if we had no hope we wouldn't want to survive.


A virus that kills (or severely incapacitates) its host is less likely to thrive.
Part of the reason C-19 has done as well as it has is because of those who are/were asymptomatic or only suffering very mild symptoms.
So, its in the virus's best interest to become less deadly or incapacitating insuring that more hosts are able to pass it on....... This is one of the reasons I'm surprised that this little bleeder seems to of just popped up the way it did.

[jansman]

I AM feeling more optimistic, and full of hope. But I will continue to be cautious.

You do remember that this is the definition of "Prepper" ?

If we weren't cautious we wouldn't prep, and if we had no hope we wouldn't want to survive.


A virus that kills (or severely incapacitates) its host is less likely to thrive.
Part of the reason C-19 has done as well as it has is because of those who are/were asymptomatic or only suffering very mild symptoms.
So, its in the virus's best interest to become less deadly or incapacitating insuring that more hosts are able to pass it on....... This is one of the reasons I'm surprised that this little bleeder seems to of just popped up the way it did.

What a great way of putting it!