Arm the Nation

[diamond lil]

So I won't mention the army then. No. Best not.

[LuqmanNaq]

I am planning on a Bug Out Location where me and my family will be well hidden and well supplied so I can avoid conflict. I know someone mentioned there is nowhere more than 2 days walk from a big town or city but if you are well hidden it strongly increases your survival chances. Plus, people tend to stay where they are are home or familiar with. By the time they start venturing out into the country I am hoping they will be malnurished, slow and lethargic, and most of all, unarmed!

Here's a really interesting new video by Fefal on the subject of country vs city...

[jansman]

I also am of the opinion that the world is NOT going to collapse into complete societal breakdown and lawlessness, with thousands of rampaging savages running amok in the streets, foaming at the mouth and killing each other for a can of Tesco Value beans and some tea bags.

I disagree with the whole TEOTWAWkI/WROL american survivalist crowd, but crime in any country increases as the economy get's worse, or collapses. In the UK only if you have 'black market' connection can you get a gun, which many criminals do.

Argentina and the USSR are real life examples of what happens when an economy collapses, and they both displayed extremely high levels of violent crime. The police will simply be overwhelmed and underfunded to deal with the amount of crime that will occur.

Displaying a gun is mainly used for diffusion hopefully you'll never have to use it. It's true that people don't know how they will react to emergency. I personally know that I am capable of inflicting serious damage on someone if they attack me based on experience, but killing... however I would like the option of pulling out my weapon and preventing a crime from taking place.
I'm sorry but you do not have to be a criminal to own a gun in the uk .A shotgun is quite easy to obtain as long as you are not mental or a crook.a firearms ticket is more difficult(rifles)but not impossible.Sorry ,but this idea that guns are for crooks only is a product of ignorance and ignorance breeds fear.I was brought up with guns-guns are great.They are tool-and all tools have to be used safely.

This isn't an attempt at belittling anyone this is a genuine question;

How do the anti-gun people here believe that they will protect themselves if violent crimes become commonplace?

[jansman]

Sorry the last post did not work.The point I wanted to make was that You do not have to be a crook to own a gun-ignorance of anything creates fear

[LuqmanNaq]

Sorry the last post did not work.The point I wanted to make was that You do not have to be a crook to own a gun-ignorance of anything creates fear

? Are you referring to owning guns for hunting being legal?

What I meant was that in the UK we can't legally own or carry a gun for self defence/personal protection. We can't even carry a tactical knife or pepper spray. We're pretty much dependant on the police for our protection.

[PC11]

This is my first post but here it goes..

As I understand it the Second Amendment of the US Constitution is partly in place so civilians have the right to bear arms to resist a tyrannical government, yes?
How are we going to resist tyranny and having all our possessions took in a martial law situation should the situation arise?

Maybe that's the whole point to the government banning firearm ownership in the UK....

(I am not a 'conspiracy theorist' by any means, but what I have touched upon above and the discussion in general is pretty thought provoking and raises some interesting questions!)

[Big fat bill]

So I won't mention the army then. No. Best not.

..... or any man who wears a skirt and no nickers....

[Big fat bill]

I also am of the opinion that the world is NOT going to collapse into complete societal breakdown and lawlessness, with thousands of rampaging savages running amok in the streets, foaming at the mouth and killing each other for a can of Tesco Value beans and some tea bags.

I disagree with the whole TEOTWAWkI/WROL american survivalist crowd, but crime in any country increases as the economy get's worse, or collapses. In the UK only if you have 'black market' connection can you get a gun, which many criminals do.

Argentina and the USSR are real life examples of what happens when an economy collapses, and they both displayed extremely high levels of violent crime. The police will simply be overwhelmed and underfunded to deal with the amount of crime that will occur.

Displaying a gun is mainly used for diffusion hopefully you'll never have to use it. It's true that people don't know how they will react to emergency. I personally know that I am capable of inflicting serious damage on someone if they attack me based on experience, but killing... however I would like the option of pulling out my weapon and preventing a crime from taking place.


This isn't an attempt at belittling anyone this is a genuine question;

How do the anti-gun people here believe that they will protect themselves if violent crimes become commonplace?

Scoobie, With regards to my post you so happily pulled would you care to cast your rules over this post and tell me if it follows your 4 points below. Also which of the points did my post break or was it just subjective on your part?


1. Keep it legal
2. Keep it prepping orientated
3. Keep it relevant and factual
4. Keep it friendly and polite

[scoobie]

Yes it does, your post did not, hence why it was removed.

[EAprepper]

I was bullied at school and know first hand how evil some people can be. It is estimated that 4% of the population are psychopaths. That is one in every 25 people have absolutely no empathy for other human beings. In a population of 60 million that is about 2.4 million.

I'm not meaning to belittle what must have been a traumatic experience for you but your figures are a bit out on that one. It's more like 0.6% which is about 360,000 and even then those that are "true psychopaths" and have "absolutely no empathy for other human beings" is probably about 1% of that number, the other 99% have some form of antisocial personality disorder. Bullies at school can be real nasty violent buggers (especially nowadays) but most of them are just garden variety arseholes, not psychopaths.

Displaying a gun is mainly used for diffusion hopefully you'll never have to use it.

If they try that over in America and they have a concealed carry permit then they can expect to go to jail. A rather random factoid but now you know

On the original topic - I have fired weapons in many different scenarios (and I know I'm a good shot ) but do not currently own a firearm. I am pro-gun but do not think it would be a good idea to allow any greater access to fire arms until such time as we can get society into some sense of normalcy rather than the shambles we have at the moment. One thing I will say though is that whether you are a gun owner or not, would you only rely on that option for defence? There are many things you could own or learn to do to assist in defending your family/property/preps.

I'll stop there to make sure my post stays within the rules.