New Here Introduction

[kaosandy]

Hello Everyone, I'm kaosandy.

Most bunkers never complete because it's the end of economics as we know it... You know, find a job, start a family, mortgage, car, pension fund THEN WW3 happens & that culture is gone. A concrete survival bunker with food stocks, water supply, fuel, is expensive and outside of my ability to pay for.

So what do i do?

I don't really know what to do so, why don't you tell me.

For me, good information is important. Looking back in hindsight, I've made mistakes due to bad information. Hindsight is 20:20 they say. People deliberately fooled me, I was misled. Tricked.

For me now my main source of lies is Radio News. Years back my main source of lies was Television. Luckily I switched off my television before year 2019... read into that what you want.

The lies now are military grade, hypnotic, hard to discern, layered, integrated, coordinated, preconceived, deliberated, planned, Hybrid War.

The earlier WW3 Nuclear Event was threatened in the 1980's. This one now looks real enough to me. What is different now is the highly refined and extremely high quality of media lies.

Due to this, a major component of any prepper plan, for me, is teazing out truth from fiction.

This can be thought about (and acted upon) in different ways. A simple example is The Bugout Bag ...

For me now, The Bugout Bag ITSELF, is not the issue. No. For me The Bugout Bag issues are: where do I take The Bugout Bag AND with whom do I take The Bugout Bag?

If the emergency situation happens, I want to know who I am with and where I am going.

The task of providing An Introduction yet omitting Personal Detail seems contradictory: I've been around a while, tried a few things, learnt some stuff, failed a few times, looking to try some new things and don't like the look of this war escalating now over in The Ukraine.

Thank You & Have A Nice Day.

[itsybitsy]

Hello and welcome. I've approved this intro, however I just want to highlight a couple of things. We are not a doomsday group - we are a community of moderately minded people who believe that being prepared will serve us well when things go to custard. Things going to custard are unlikely to be apocalyptic events and more likely to be things like unemployment, economic turbulence, adverse weather the the like. Also, we don't entertain conspiracies - there are plenty of loopy websites for that - we're not one of them.

Please take some time to read the boards and get a feel for how we operate. Thank you.

[Frnc]

You definitely can't trust the mainstream media. I know that for a fact. They protect the system and the ruling class. You can't trust conspiracy theory types, they pedal bonkers nonsense. If you follow people on twitter who are honest, decent people, and informed, you get to know various sources which are more reliable in their own ways, but they can all make mistakes. Avoid careerists and people who pedal hate. Avoid people who see everything as black and white. The truth may well be somewhere in between.

[Frnc]

Where to bugout to and with who? Well, it's going to depend on circumstances. To me, the most likely bugout situation is there the government is advising evacuation to a specific place. This could be because of some even eg chemical pollution event. So you wouldn't get much choice where to go, unless you ignored their advice. And they might be providing food, water, shelter, medical aid etc.

Another scenario might be people invading your home and they are obviously going to overwhelm you. You grab the bag and run! In this even it might be ok to go back a couple of days later. They might loot the place and move on. So you want somewhere local to can get to easily and hide.

If you have to leave permanently and it's up to you, you want somewhere away from built-up areas, with resources. Personally I'm heading out through farmland, with a couple of wooded areas I can aim for. Rivers or ponds with fish, streams for drinking water. Survival in this scenario is fairly doubtful beyond a few weeks. I think it would be easier if you were with the right people.

US government advice is a bag with enough to survive outside for 3 days.

[jennyjj01]

Hello Everyone, I'm kaosandy.

Most bunkers never complete because it's the end of economics as we know it... You know, find a job, start a family, mortgage, car, pension fund THEN WW3 happens & that culture is gone. A concrete survival bunker with food stocks, water supply, fuel, is expensive and outside of my ability to pay for.

Hi KaoSandy.
As ItsyBitsy says, few of us here are prepping for TEOTWAWKI, except maybe that we might have a steadier and more comfortable demise if it happens. We mostly propose to bug IN and ride out certain crises or we bug elsewhere, down to the travelodge or hospital or the mate's sofar for a few days to get past a more domestic crisis.
If Nukes start flying, we re-evaluate and MAYBE just buy enough time to survive the first wave.

[pseudonym]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

Protect and survive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6U9T3R3EQg&t=14s

Some ideas that are still relevant today.

[jansman]

Where to bugout to and with who? Well, it's going to depend on circumstances. To me, the most likely bugout situation is there the government is advising evacuation to a specific place. This could be because of some even eg chemical pollution event. So you wouldn't get much choice where to go, unless you ignored their advice. And they might be providing food, water, shelter, medical aid etc.

Another scenario might be people invading your home and they are obviously going to overwhelm you. You grab the bag and run! In this even it might be ok to go back a couple of days later. They might loot the place and move on. So you want somewhere local to can get to easily and hide.

If you have to leave permanently and it's up to you, you want somewhere away from built-up areas, with resources. Personally I'm heading out through farmland, with a couple of wooded areas I can aim for. Rivers or ponds with fish, streams for drinking water. Survival in this scenario is fairly doubtful beyond a few weeks. I think it would be easier if you were with the right people.

US government advice is a bag with enough to survive outside for 3 days.

L.O.L. Right now,farmers are asking for enforcement of law against ‘wild’ camping. It appears they have some right numpties occupying their land at times, and who shouldn’t be there! People moving into such areas in a ( theoretical) situation, will find themselves in aggressive situations. I can tell you now,as a lifetime hunting man and fisherman, farmers ,landowners and pond/lake owners don’t take trespassers lightly - and that is in peaceful times!

This idea of ‘bugging out’ which has been around the prepping/ survival groups forever , in my opinion , is a load of rubbish. How am I qualified to say this? Well between the age of 19 and 21,I was a Royal Marine. I was a boy then,and pretty tough. But no way would I even think about living as a refugee on someone else’s land,’cos we were trained to understand that person will shoot AT you!

[jansman]

Here you go! http://duncanlong.com/science-fiction-f ... ckpack.htm

I wanted to put that on the previous post,but my illness made me get rid of survivalist books and grim novels too. The above has been around for many years too.

[GillyBee]

Bug Out Planning for beginners.

What are you bugging out? How bad wil it be, How likely to happen?

e.g.
Level 1)
Home damaged by fire/flood/gas explosion etc. Likelihood High - happens to multiple people every year. Impact - affects just your family but would make a right mess of your life for a while. Best mitigations: CASH, Insurance, a "hotel bag" to let you easily move out for a week/month etc. Mobile phone with credit and all your documents properly backed up to the cloud or in the hotel bag so that you can get at your bank account/insurance/ID etc. Address and phone number for a local B&B or friends/family who would let you turn up at 3am with no notice.
Level 2)
Wider area affected - e.g entire town is uninhabitable. Likelihood low but floods have knocked out substantial lumps of small towns before in the UK. Best mitigations are the same as above but your hotel/friend will need to be a bit further afield and there may be a lot of people willing to pay over the odds for the hotel room.
Level 3)
Substantial amount of the country is damaged and significant casualties. Getting out may be impossible with roads & rail damaged. Choose between becoming a refugee WITH A bob or hunkering down and trying to ride it out at home or in your local area while you decide on your longer term plan.

The usual advice is that if you have prepped for the minor problems - e.g. covid emptied the shops then you will be halfway there for the apocalypse too, so start small and work up.

[Frnc]

L.O.L. Right now,farmers are asking for enforcement of law against ‘wild’ camping. It appears they have some right numpties occupying their land at times, and who shouldn’t be there! People moving into such areas in a ( theoretical) situation, will find themselves in aggressive situations. I can tell you now,as a lifetime hunting man and fisherman, farmers ,landowners and pond/lake owners don’t take trespassers lightly - and that is in peaceful times!

This idea of ‘bugging out’ which has been around the prepping/ survival groups forever , in my opinion , is a load of rubbish. How am I qualified to say this? Well between the age of 19 and 21,I was a Royal Marine. I was a boy then,and pretty tough. But no way would I even think about living as a refugee on someone else’s land,’cos we were trained to understand that person will shoot AT you!

As I said, I doubt anyone could survive a long term bugout for long. I can't think of any scenarios where I would want to try. I do NOT subscribe to the idea of bugging out long term at the first sign of urban trouble.

As I said, I think the most likely scenarios are to a government evacuation point, or temporarily if my home was being looted. In the latter situation, there are loads of woods I can hide in for a couple of days nearby. The land is owned by the council. Officially it's open to the public until dusk. Literally. I guess they might lock the car park gate when it's getting dark. In fact, there are people wild camping near there now, have been for a year, trying to stop a chunk of the land being sold to developers.

The locations I have in mind for the extremely unlikely long term bugout, or longer distance because of some hazzard locally, go through farmland, by road. The destinations are places that are open to the public. I have three. All begin with the same route and then I either head west to one or east to the other two.

One is publicly owned, run by Forestry England, part of the Forestry Commission, open 12 hours a day 364 days a year. Presumably someone locks the car park gate at the end of the day.
Another is owned by United Utilities. Again, completely open to the public. You can walk there, mountain bike, whatever.
The third is owned by Peak District National Park Authority, United Utilities and Forestry England. Completely open to the public.
All three have woods, rivers and lakes.

Regarding wild camping, I've done loads. I walked to Scotland when I was 15, carrying tent etc. I've wild camped lots in the Lake District. I did 3 weeks in the Dolomites. I've wild camped to go rock climbing. Some people even stealth camp near roads or villages. I've also turned up at camp sites in the dark, pitched my tent, and let them know in the morning. Of course camp sites might be a sensible place to try to get to.