So i want to bury a shipping container

[Frnc]

Cooking and washing pots.

Freeze dried meals require only hot water, plus water for washing up. They use less fuel. However, Im not sure how safe it is to use a gas stove in a bunker. You need a CO moniitor. Obviously you need ventilation anyway, you need air to breath.

Pasta can be cooked in a flask using only hot water. I believe it also works with rice, but I've not tested that.

Ration bars need no cooking and no washing up. They are made to be stored in lifeboats.

Tins of tuna need no cooking.

Cereal and dried milk

Dehydrated egg if you can find it.

Instant mash (Sainsburys is good).

Instant noodles. Rice in a bag need a minimal amount, 2-3 minutes with a bit of water.

I suppose tins of beans can be eaten cold, but might be a bit unappealing.

If you are splitting a freeze dried meal, you can get extra thick plastic bags that can stand up and hold very hot water. If you have enough, you don't need to wash up.

If you are cooking for one, you can eat out of the cooking pot. In my bugout bag I have one pot, and that pot would double as my mug/plate/bowl. I do have a plastic spork as well. I have a home made pot cosy so it can be used for haybox cooking, like the flask technique. It's foil covered bubble wrap, sold by a backpacking company, so must have been tested. In a bunker, obviously you'd want a plate, bowl, knife, fork, spoon..

You only need a tiny bit of water to wash a pot. You can wipe it clean first using tissues, and then it needs even less water, and just a drop of washing up liquid.

[Nurseandy]

Baloo, I think this is a fascinating project and really interested in how it pans out. I don't like to be negative but in a previous (pre nursing) life I worked for Thames Water and you need a lot of water to flush away solid toilet matter. Even with a really steeply angled sewage pipe if there's not enough water to carry the waste away the solids build up and will block the pipe in quite a short time.
I almost wonder if bagging and storing the faecal matter would be a way forward?

[Frnc]

I imagine hundreds of bottles of drinking water and being on a well shower water can come from there, there's no limit on waste water or sewage it's all downhill in the next field
How long does bottled water last ?

6 months to a year if kept in the dark.

You should bury your sewage at least 60 metres away from your well (did you say you have a well?) or nearest stream.

[Frnc]

Baloo, I think this is a fascinating project and really interested in how it pans out. I don't like to be negative but in a previous (pre nursing) life I worked for Thames Water and you need a lot of water to flush away solid toilet matter. Even with a really steeply angled sewage pipe if there's not enough water to carry the waste away the solids build up and will block the pipe in quite a short time.
I almost wonder if bagging and storing the faecal matter would be a way forward?

Bag and bury, 60m away from water source. Sawdust or wood chips is good for covering it. You can go 2 or 3 times in the same bag. You can use a camping toilet or folding bog in a bag.

You need to urinate separately!

[Frnc]

So, if there has been a nuclear attack, are you going to store 2 weeks poo down there, or do a quick sortie out to bury it?

[Frnc]

A lot of the ideas here apply to bug-ins anyway. If there is no water or sewage. No gas or electricity. Disposing of sewage will be critical. My plan is:

Urinate separately!

Heavy duty bin liners over the loo, or I have a folding bog in a bag I can use, whichever works.

Cat litter (made of wood shavings, stops the smell)

Bury at least 60m away. I have a spade. For bug-out I have a plastic trowel.

[jansman]

A lot of the ideas here apply to bug-ins anyway. If there is no water or sewage. No gas or electricity. Disposing of sewage will be critical. My plan is:

Urinate separately!

Heavy duty bin liners over the loo, or I have a folding bog in a bag I can use, whichever works.

Cat litter (made of wood shavings, stops the smell)

Bury at least 60m away. I have a spade. For bug-out I have a plastic trowel.

It’s an interesting topic! Up in our mini orchard is our Summerhouse. There is a compost toilet next to it ,and it’s good,it works. But of course our neighbours don’t. So in an emergency,life will literally turn quickly to sh*t.

[Frnc]

A lot of the ideas here apply to bug-ins anyway. If there is no water or sewage. No gas or electricity. Disposing of sewage will be critical. My plan is:

Urinate separately!

Heavy duty bin liners over the loo, or I have a folding bog in a bag I can use, whichever works.

Cat litter (made of wood shavings, stops the smell)

Bury at least 60m away. I have a spade. For bug-out I have a plastic trowel.

It’s an interesting topic! Up in our mini orchard is our Summerhouse. There is a compost toilet next to it ,and it’s good,it works. But of course our neighbours don’t. So in an emergency,life will literally turn quickly to sh*t.

Compost toilet is the ideal way to go for a long term bug-in, if you have the space, materials and know-how. But if you don't, you need to bin bag it. My idea of wood shavings is borrowed from compost toilet procedure. I guess you could start out on my method and try to figure out a compost toilet later.

[Frnc]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004Y00STK/
Bog in a bag

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B078834BVF/
Wood based cat litter

Boginabag bags are biodegradable and contain some absorbent material. I think in shtf, maybe ordinary plastic might be ok, or even better.

So,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133584497142

[jennyjj01]

Some fascinating thoughts emanating from this thread and they do apply to bug-in.

I feel a spreadsheet coming on to list the volume and weight of different needs and by products to be independent of the outside world. Those of us storing a few hundred litres of water and two rolls of bin bags may be totally in the wrong ball park.

Thinking of containers. We once took a freezer to the tip and were directed to push it to the back of a big lorry container. That container was wet, dark and grim and stank, even with the door open. I dread to think of the ambience if it were sealed and home to every cooking and pooping and peeing smell. (Think smelly phone box but bigger) It would surely be very damp from just exhaled breath, let alone heated food and water and pee. Surely impossible to keep dry and likely to harbour every form of mould. What would that do to your lungs. Also what would happen to temperature in there?
Would it need LOTS of ventilation, way above what is needed to breath and light a candle or stove. Isn't that a shortcoming of the old protect & survive shelter where dusty radioactive air would be drawn in?

I double dare anybody to spend 24 hours in a shipping container with the door locked. Even fitted out with all the comforts of home. Maybe we have an ex coal miner in our membership that can report on life underground?